Podcast Season 4 Episode 2


Title: Lilley's Pear and Apple Cider

In this episode: XBMC Eden is nearly out. There's a new Gnome applications design guide. Raspberry Pi has announced a manufacturing date. Canonical announce the Ubuntu Enterprise Remix and ends support for Kubuntu. Linux Foundation says Linux jobs are on the up and LibreOffice 3.5 is out. Also, hear the sound of our discoveries, a listener's submission for 'Speak your Brains' and the rumble of a battle in our Open Ballot.

What's in the show:

  • New! Lightning News:
      XBMC Eden is close to being released. Allan Day blogged a new approach to Gnome application design. Raspberry Pi has revealed a manufacturing date. There's now an Ubuntu Enterprise Desktop Remix while Canonical has stopped funding Jonathan Riddell to develop Kubuntu. Good news if you're looking for a job; Dice has produced a report that states 81% of tech companies are actively trying to recruit Linux people, while 85% of companies are struggling to find people with Linux skills. And LibreOffice 3.5 has been released.
  • Discovery of the week:
    • Jonathan:
      • "I can't stand KDE. I really don't get on with KDE."
    • Efrain:
      • Krita is a great alternative to Gimp because it supports CMYK.
    • Graham:
      • Build yourself a custom firmware for an AVM Fritz!box router/modem thanks to the Freetz project.
    • Ben:
    • Andrew:
      • You should go to FOSDEM next year.
      • The street behind La Grand-Place in Brussels is full of kebab shops.
  • Rants and Raves
      Ben makes a hero out of a significant Linux software company, and we have a lister's contribution from petescan321. If you'd like to add your voice to this section, send an audio file to jonathan.roberts@futurenet.com.
  • Speak Your Brains:
      Thanks again for your contributions. If you'd like this section to continue, email graham.morrison@futurenet.com.
  • Open Ballot: Has KDE become a second class desktop?

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Presenters: Ben Everard, Andrew Gregory, Efrain Hernandez-Mendoza, Graham Morrison and Jonathan Roberts

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Your comments

I concur on FOSDEM

I particularly recommend the 10.5% proof liquor at the pub the beer event is held in the evening before! Being paralytic in the city of Brussels at 3am with temperatures of -10 degrees Celsius outside is all kinds of fun... lol

But in all seriousness, the event is excellent and a great networking opportunity for people after FOSS-related work or for community contributors to discuss many things with like-minded people.


KDE4 is much better looking then any other desktop. It's great, I really like Unity though too. I may switch from Ubuntu to Mint with KDE though. I'm a long time Mandrake/Mandriva user who just switched to Ubuntu. I think it's very well together with the exception of a few window specific bugs. Not to mention navigating between windows is sometimes a task. But nothing I've used Desktop related has been as good as KDE4 yet. I did like Gnome 2 better than KDE at the time but that was mostly because the boot splash was wicked awesome.

Not Related

I'm about to purchase a laptop and when John first arrived at LXF towers he said in a podcast he had a laptop with pretty much full Linux Support. Rather than sit and listen through 2-3 TuxRadar podcasts (much as I'd love to - I just don't have the time), I thought I'd just ask here. Much appreciated.

Thanks for letting me make my Guest appearance

Thanks for featuring my recording on your Podcast... Keep up the great work, and when you can check out my Blog



Thanks for everything!

i remember

I ended up buying a similar model, John has Toshiba r630 11r obviously that's a little out of date now I got an r830 everything except the Bluetooth works well on Linux 3.0+.
Take a live version of your distro into a shop and try it out.

@PenguinMod, @Bruno

thameslink is right, I have a Toshiba R630, but I don't think you can buy that any more. I did see an offer on the R830, however, which is the more recent version, so you might be able to get a good deal on one if you look around - they're well made machines!

The only thing I should caution you about is that while everything works with open source drivers, the wifi can be a little bit fussy depending on which distribution you use (on Arch, for instance, you need to blacklist the bcma module I think). I'm just now about to figure out what needs doing on Fedora!

@Bruno - I guess it depends what you think default is. I think you're probably right, really, since if you don't know which you want and you just click next, you'll end up with KDE.

For anyone who's interested, I'm actually still using KDE to give it a good chance - I'll report back on how I get on after I've been with it for a few weeks!

Ciao Bob!

Were you there too? Knowing that you're just up the road from Brussels I kept my eyes peeled for you, but to no avail.


Hey Andrew, thanks for mentioning my Mike Saunders joke on the podcast. I feel so special!

Note to Jon: don't worry about the bad fortnight you just had. A new week with new opportunities is fast approaching!

Jolly good show to the whole podcast gang!

"Flame if you must"

OK Jon, if you insist! Coming from a KDE fan...*clears throat*...


So there!

Seriously, KDE may not be perfect, but what DE is? KDE is powerful enough that you can make it look the way you want it to, and do what you want it to. Some may complain about having to spend time configuring it...well, yeah. It isn't going to read your mind and configure itself to perfectly suit you! The fact that you *can* make it do what you want is one of the many things that puts it above Gnome or any other DE.

It's powerful, it's feature-rich, its application suite is exceptionally well-integrated. I can't think of a single reason to use something like Gnome when KDE is available.

Great podcast, folks.

Hi Jon,

Great to hear you are taking KDE for an extended test drive. Even if it doesn't persuade you stay full time, I hope you find something you like. BTW, what distro are you using it on?

Thanks to all the team for reading out my comments at the very end of the podcast, I do like to contribute to these debates. Interestingly, the post above by xk with data from the LQ fora closely mirrors the data on our fora about DE "market share" (for want of a better phrase), but with about 23 times the number of respondents. About one third KDE, one third Gnome (in now 4 incarnations {shell, unity, MATE and cinnamon}) and one third XFCE.

Whether you are Gnome fan or KDE fan, with at least three strong DEs to choose from (in terms of market share), we all win as there is competition and competition is a major factor in driving innovation. Remember what happened when MS had practically extinguished all competition in the browser market by 2001? We had a lousy, single platform browser that saw zero innovation for over four years. Choice is good.

Re: Ciao Bob

I was indeed, albeit in the afternoon... lol I'll endeavor to tweet in advance of attending these things in future. :-)

Also, on the Linux desktop debate: The only DE I can't stand atm is Ubuntu's unity interface. On any device that isn't a netbook or tablet it just doesn't makes any sense and is so frustrating to use (and uncustomisable) it makes me want to throw my computer out of the nearest window. What the hell was Canonical thinking?

On the upside though I have rediscovered the first distro I used as a solo-boot - Fedora. Albeit with XFCE rather than Gnome Shell (I like it better than Unity, but not enough to use it full-time...)

Thanks guys!

Cheers for the mention on the podcast guys! :)

Im sure it added to the general Canonical positivity on the show!

Graham's desktop

I've recently started playing with KDE for the first time in 6 or 7 years, after getting tired of gnome3 and unity. It feels incredibly powerful and customisable, but my old kde skills are almost uselessly out-of-date.

I would really love to see a feature from Graham, showcasing the eyecandy and modifications he uses, screenshots and a step-by-step guide to recreating them.

If you guys could point to (or write!) a "KDE power users guide for gnome refugees", that would be awesome too!

Thanks for the podcast, I've been a happy subscriber since season 1, and for the magazine, to which I've subscribed for even longer.

Just a quick mention about "Linux jobs."

Just a quick mention about "Linux jobs."

I use KNOPPIX at least every other day to get something done on a Windows Box. My Boss views Linux tools as something akin to Black Magic, and doesn't really want to know about it.

The main complaint from management is that there's no help desk to call if the Linux tool doesn't work, and therefore, it can't be kosher.

I use it as a sideline, despite my constant use on personal machines, I'd never bill mine as a Linux job.

Libreoffice Terrific

My version of libreoffice just got updated today - and I think it's terrific. I think it's really come on in the past two years. Start-up is much quicker, and the whole interface looks a lot better. Well done Libreoffice!


(c)konvert John To KDE Association
Just listened this pod and Effi(sorry if I misspelled your nickname, lol) was one of the majors IMNSHO(In My Not So Humble Opinion), finally. John are you not an Arch user? For me, at least, as am arch user, KDE is never bloated, I just install what I want when I want. No stupid pulse audio dependencies. My setup lives fine with alsa and if I install pulseaudio...guess what...it just works.
My sister is not a linux geek in the least but I installed Kubuntu in her laptop when she complained about performance from Vista, and she never complained about performance or usability issues even once(and you migth say "oh whell, you giv all the support she needs. Not so."). Don't get me wrong...I like gnome and I used it allot, in fact, some of my windows(trying to be linux) friends ask me for advice in their dual boot windows/linux(gnome) machines, and I know enough to direct them in the right direction(linux only...lolol).

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