Podcast Season 1 Episode 6


Title: Monologue

In this episode: Gtk+ developers announce plans for version 3. Microsoft proclaims 96% domination of the netbook market and both Mono 2.4 and MonoDevelop 2.0 are released. Is the new Linux Spotify library a good thing and should netbook manufacturers standardise on a single distribution?

What's in the show

  • News: Gtk+ 3 Roadmap is announced. Microsoft proclaims netbook domination, and both Mono 2.4 and MonoDevelop 2.0 are released.
  • Hot Topic: Spotify has announced a closed-source API for their premium users on Linux.
  • Discovery of the week:
  • Open Ballot: Should netbook manufacturers standardise on a single distro?
  • Special offer: subscribe to Linux Format magazine and save up to to 55% - that's just $7.62 an issue!

Presenters: Andrew Gregory, Paul Hudson, Graham Morrison and Mike Saunders

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Still See Only First 4 Episodes in Banshee

Banshee still shows only the first 4 episodes from the RSS feed - and none of them have dates.


UUUh, do not bash python!

Don't you just hate those

Don't you just hate those stupid Americans? ;)

To Muzer

No! I hate those who hate! You for example....

Who the heck doesn't know what fortnight means?


I do think it's funny that on these podcasts everyone has a strong English accent yet always comes out with the "only $99 for a years subscription" spiel.

Top quality cast BTW.

Re: Banshee

We think we've fixed this problem now. A few spurious formatting errors had crept into the RSS. Try it again and let us know how you get on.


Hurray. It does seem to be fixed now. Banshee finds all episodes and dates.


Paul, Andrew and Graham have strong English accents. Mike has a strong non-English-accent, which scientists believe to be an offshoot from the language group Finno-Ugric-Northern-Oompa-Loompa.

As for the $99/year spiel, yes, we do keep on coming out with it, but only because we've seen so many comments here from Americans saying "I can't get Linux Format because I'm in the US."

Over here, a lot of people buy their magazines from shops rather than on subscription, so our brand awareness is a lot higher - there's no point us telling people they can get LXF in the UK, because it's made in the UK and on sale in every town :)

@guru: Relax, Muzer was just having some fun!

Re: PYTHOOOONNNN: Since recording that podcast, Paul has made the miraculous discovery of the CDLL class, so his opinion of the language has improved. Slightly.


I'm not even a native English speaker, and I do know what fortnight means :-)

But I probably owe that one to LUG Radio ;-)

Re: Should netbook manufacturers standardise on a single distro?

Even though I am a little hesitant about buying a Linux netbook at the moment I certainly would not do so if I only had a choice of one distro - may as well be Windows! Who would pick 'The One'?

My hesitation in buying is that the current offerings always seem to be a lower spec than the Windows based systems; Smaller drives, less memory, no bluetooth etc etc. I suppose I could buy a Windows XP system and install a distro of my choice but then I'd be worried about compatibility etc.

I'd prefer to be able to but a system which is designed to work with Linux, i.e. no exotic [driverless] hardware, but does not have an OS installed. Afterall, most Linux geeks are capable of installing a distro themselves and even a Windows luddite can insert a CD and click next a few times!


I know what a fortnight is, thanks. Of course I am more of a Euro-American as I live in Europe.

Anyways... Re: Single netbook distro... I think one of the huge advantages that could come out of a consortium based common distro is marketing and sales tools. In a past episode I seem to recall an experience of a PC World rep saying "oh, you don't want that.. it has that Linux thing." A consortium could create not only the distro itself and a customization/roll out toolkit for the netbook makers, but sales tools to accompany the netbooks to the stores to teach PC World dolts the positives (and negatives - let's face it, the coolness of Linux is not for everyone) of Linux so they can make truly informed sales pitches. A PC vendor is not going to go to that pain on it's own.

Re: Subscription Offer

That sucks! Could you be more specific how we can reproduce the problem so we can forward it on to our subscriptions team?

"'That thou tellest,' quod Truthe, 'is but a tale of waltrot!'

The "stupid Americans" comment struck me a little too close to home. To call anyone stupid, especially when you want them to buy your magazine, is perhaps not the smartest course of action. The worst part about it, is that you could tell that it was more or less heartfelt, and the negation... well not so much.
To clarify, Its not that Americans don't *know* what a fortnight is, its that they don't care. Why? For the same reason thou hath stoppeth talking like this-ith, its a historical footnote. Do you ride a horse to the studio?
From an efficiency standpoint, "two weeks" and "fortnight" have the same amount of syllables, and you don't sound like a pretentious Shakespearean douche bag.
And *THEN* to really add the cherry on top, after saying Americans are stupid, the "discovery" is '!!'? You have got to be kidding me. Whats next, "history", "netstat"?

Epic podcaste faile.

@Jim from Sweden

First, let us sincerely apologise to anyone who was offended by us saying "stupid Americans" for them not understanding what "fortnight" means. We did follow it up with, "no, we love Americans, we do; we're not afraid of them; hiya Chad", which, admittedly, includes a couple of references listeners won't get: Paul had been listening to the David Bowie/Nine Inch Nails song "I'm afraid of Americans" before the podcast, and Chad is a good friend of ours from the US.

Second, fortnight is indeed a very old word, but that doesn't mean it should be abandoned. "Discovery of the two weeks" means the same thing, but it's just not good English.

Third, this podcast is aimed at a wide audience. If you already knew !!, great, that's really nice for you. Perhaps you spent more time learning that than learning how to use apostrophes when you type. But some of our other listeners might find it useful, which is why we're covering it.

Fourth, we think you're actually trolling us, so we're replying out of politeness only, and just in case some people really *are* offended by the podcast.

Should netbook manufacturers standardise on a single distro?

of course netbook should standardise on a single distro, like gentoo or slackware or maybe linux mint or pclinuxos ...

for that matter, the desktop should standardise on a single distro ...

oh wait, the server must also standardise ....

you idiots!


"The worst part about it, is that you could tell that it was more or less heartfelt"

Er, no, you could tell it was a joke. I could, anyway. Epic sense of humour fail!

Should netbook manufacturers standardise on a single distro?

Don't be too harsh there, I strongly feel that we should

- use CrunchBang on the netbook ( light and Ubuntu )

- use Linux Mint on desktop ( pretty , simple and Ubuntu )
- or use openSUSE on desktop ( MONO is from theirs ? )

- use Oracle on server ( Oracle plus Oracle Linux, the ultimate standardization )

what say you ?


quoth the podcasters "Perhaps you spent more time learning that than learning how to use apostrophes when you type."
Well played sirs, well played indeed :D

Re: Trolling, not intentionally, more of a Devils advocate. I wasn't trying to be inflammatory (well except for the !! bit, pants!)

Please understand, its been a hard past 8 years being American, and we are all a bit on edge. I, for one am tired of having to tell people I am Canadian.

That being said, I *do* enjoy the podcast, and want you guys to keep up the good work.

murkins, hot dang ;-) sorry,

murkins, hot dang ;-)

sorry, some of my best friends are... no longer Canadian :P

the YaST story

that was very funny

Fortnight is a farily common word in USA!

USA Rules :P

Favorite use of the word is from the movie "So I Married an Ax Murderer."

Pro-Fortnight Advocate

I hereby declare myself a fortnight advocate for future podcast application.

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