Would try that but ubuntu/kubuntu only provide root access via sudo, am at the moment having a go at installing debian sarge cos I do want to have more control. I have always wanted a Debian install for philosophical reasons but was put off by having a nasty installer but I realise now that ubuntu uses the sarge installer!
Maybe next week when I have time I will finally bite the bullet and have a go at <quiver>Gentoo</quiver>
yours in jelly
ps the reason for all this playing about is that I now have broadband
still looking for that door into summer