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by **pedros** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:14 am

hello all,

new job, new pc... obviously with a non-standard size case so the video card wont fit.

on board amd radeon 6310 video card has two outputs, vga and hdmi. don't want to open brand new second monitor to test if it will need to be returned but is it likely i can run both monitors from the existing video card?

by **heiowge** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:22 am

Can you drill a hole in the case to make it fit? :lol:

by **wyliecoyoteuk** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:00 am

What motherboard?
Some will, some won't
e.g.my ASrock a75m will.

by **pedros** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:11 pm

its this piece here,

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/acer-aspi ... 4-pdt.html

knew i should have just gone to the shop myself rather than letting sales people buy me stuff.

by **pedros** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:27 pm

sudo lshw provides the following details

Code: Select all: xubuntu description: Desktop Computer product: Aspire X1430 (To be filled by O.E.M.) vendor: Acer serial: DTSJ5EK004211021579201 width: 64 bits capabilities: smbios-2.7 dmi-2.7 vsyscall32 configuration: administrator_password=disabled boot=normal chassis=desktop family=Acer Desktop power-on_password=disabled sku=To be filled by O.E.M. uuid=C89CDCA7-53DC-2012-0312-130009000000 *-core description: Motherboard product: Aspire X1430 vendor: Acer physical id: 0 *-firmware description: BIOS vendor: AMI physical id: 0 version: P01-C1 date: 11/16/2011 size: 64KiB capacity: 1984KiB capabilities: pci apm upgrade shadowing cdboot bootselect socketedrom edd int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer acpi usb biosbootspecification *-cpu description: CPU product: AMD E-300 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 4 bus info: cpu@0 version: AMD E-300 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics serial: To Be Filled By O.E.M. slot: CPU 1 size: 1114MHz capacity: 1300MHz width: 64 bits clock: 100MHz capabilities: x86-64 fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc extd_apicid aperfmperf pni monitor ssse3 cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch ibs skinit wdt arat npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save pausefilter cpufreq configuration: cores=2 enabledcores=2 threads=2 *-cache:0 description: L1 cache physical id: 5 slot: L1-Cache size: 128KiB capacity: 128KiB capabilities: internal write-back unified *-cache:1 description: L2 cache physical id: 6 slot: L2-Cache size: 1MiB capacity: 1MiB capabilities: internal varies data *-memory description: System Memory physical id: 24 slot: System board or motherboard size: 4GiB *-bank:0 description: DIMM Synchronous [empty] vendor: Manufacturer1 physical id: 0 serial: SerNum1 slot: DIMM1 *-bank:1 description: DIMM DDR3 Synchronous 1333 MHz (0.8 ns) product: ACR512X64D3U13C9G vendor: Kingston physical id: 1 serial: 3A3C52CB slot: DIMM2 size: 4GiB width: 64 bits clock: 1333MHz (0.8ns) *-pci:0 description: Host bridge product: Family 14h Processor Root Complex vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 100 bus info: pci@0000:00:00.0 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz *-display description: VGA compatible controller product: Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310] vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 1 bus info: pci@0000:00:01.0 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pm pciexpress msi vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom configuration: driver=radeon latency=0 resources: irq:41 memory:b0000000-bfffffff ioport:f000(size=256) memory:feb00000-feb3ffff *-multimedia:0 description: Audio device product: Wrestler HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6250/6310] vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 1.1 bus info: pci@0000:00:01.1 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pm pciexpress msi bus_master cap_list configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0 resources: irq:42 memory:feb44000-feb47fff *-pci:0 description: PCI bridge product: Family 14h Processor Root Port vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 4 bus info: pci@0000:00:04.0 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pci pm pciexpress msi ht normal_decode bus_master cap_list configuration: driver=pcieport resources: irq:16 ioport:1000(size=4096) memory:d0100000-d02fffff ioport:d0300000(size=2097152) *-storage description: SATA controller product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 11 bus info: pci@0000:00:11.0 logical name: scsi0 logical name: scsi1 version: 40 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz capabilities: storage ahci_1.0 bus_master cap_list emulated configuration: driver=ahci latency=64 resources: irq:19 ioport:f190(size=8) ioport:f180(size=4) ioport:f170(size=8) ioport:f160(size=4) ioport:f150(size=16) memory:feb4f000-feb4f3ff *-disk description: ATA Disk product: WDC WD15EARX-00P vendor: Western Digital physical id: 0 bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0 logical name: /dev/sda version: 51.0 serial: WD-WMAZA6532013 size: 1397GiB (1500GB) capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos configuration: ansiversion=5 signature=5182c187 *-volume:0 description: Windows NTFS volume physical id: 1 bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0,1 logical name: /dev/sda1 version: 3.1 serial: b850-6fe3 size: 20GiB capacity: 21GiB capabilities: primary ntfs initialized configuration: clustersize=4096 created=2012-02-25 10:43:21 filesystem=ntfs label=PQSERVICE state=clean *-volume:1 description: Windows NTFS volume physical id: 2 bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0,2 logical name: /dev/sda2 version: 3.1 serial: 9c52-1056 size: 98MiB capacity: 100MiB capabilities: primary bootable ntfs initialized configuration: clustersize=4096 created=2012-02-25 10:43:32 filesystem=ntfs label=SYSTEM RESERVED state=clean *-volume:2 description: Windows NTFS volume physical id: 3 bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0,3 logical name: /dev/sda3 version: 3.1 serial: c0e64031-96b1-794f-8193-3ce9f125b934 size: 687GiB capacity: 687GiB capabilities: primary ntfs initialized configuration: clustersize=4096 created=2012-02-25 10:43:35 filesystem=ntfs label=Acer state=clean *-volume:3 description: Windows NTFS volume physical id: 4 bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0,4 logical name: /dev/sda4 version: 3.1 serial: b2c5e645-baf4-3a4e-ad21-3c5f8da10059 size: 688GiB capacity: 688GiB capabilities: primary ntfs initialized configuration: clustersize=4096 created=2012-02-25 10:43:48 filesystem=ntfs label=DATA state=clean *-cdrom description: DVD-RAM writer product: DVD A DH16ABSH vendor: ATAPI physical id: 1 bus info: scsi@1:0.0.0 logical name: /dev/cdrom logical name: /dev/cdrw logical name: /dev/dvd logical name: /dev/dvdrw logical name: /dev/sr0 logical name: /cdrom version: YA12 capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram configuration: ansiversion=5 mount.fstype=iso9660 mount.options=ro,noatime state=mounted status=ready *-medium physical id: 0 logical name: /dev/cdrom logical name: /cdrom capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos configuration: mount.fstype=iso9660 mount.options=ro,noatime signature=213cf8fc state=mounted *-volume UNCLAIMED description: Hidden HPFS/NTFS partition physical id: 1 capacity: 695MiB capabilities: primary bootable hidden *-usb:0 description: USB controller product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 12 bus info: pci@0000:00:12.0 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz capabilities: ohci bus_master configuration: driver=ohci_hcd latency=64 resources: irq:18 memory:feb4e000-feb4efff *-usb:1 description: USB controller product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 12.2 bus info: pci@0000:00:12.2 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz capabilities: pm debug ehci bus_master cap_list configuration: driver=ehci_hcd latency=64 resources: irq:17 memory:feb4d000-feb4d0ff *-usb:2 description: USB controller product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 13 bus info: pci@0000:00:13.0 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz capabilities: ohci bus_master configuration: driver=ohci_hcd latency=64 resources: irq:18 memory:feb4c000-feb4cfff *-usb:3 description: USB controller product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 13.2 bus info: pci@0000:00:13.2 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz capabilities: pm debug ehci bus_master cap_list configuration: driver=ehci_hcd latency=64 resources: irq:17 memory:feb4b000-feb4b0ff *-serial description: SMBus product: SBx00 SMBus Controller vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 14 bus info: pci@0000:00:14.0 version: 42 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz configuration: driver=piix4_smbus latency=0 resources: irq:0 *-ide description: IDE interface product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 IDE Controller vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 14.1 bus info: pci@0000:00:14.1 version: 40 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz capabilities: ide bus_master configuration: driver=pata_atiixp latency=64 resources: irq:17 ioport:1f0(size=8) ioport:3f6 ioport:170(size=8) ioport:376 ioport:f100(size=16) *-multimedia:1 description: Audio device product: SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 14.2 bus info: pci@0000:00:14.2 version: 40 width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=64 resources: irq:16 memory:feb40000-feb43fff *-isa description: ISA bridge product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 LPC host controller vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 14.3 bus info: pci@0000:00:14.3 version: 40 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz capabilities: isa bus_master configuration: latency=0 *-pci:1 description: PCI bridge product: SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 14.4 bus info: pci@0000:00:14.4 version: 40 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz capabilities: pci subtractive_decode bus_master vga_palette *-usb:4 description: USB controller product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI2 Controller vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 14.5 bus info: pci@0000:00:14.5 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz capabilities: ohci bus_master configuration: driver=ohci_hcd latency=64 resources: irq:18 memory:feb4a000-feb4afff *-pci:2 description: PCI bridge product: SB700/SB800/SB900 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 0) vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 15 bus info: pci@0000:00:15.0 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pci pm pciexpress msi ht normal_decode bus_master cap_list configuration: driver=pcieport resources: irq:16 ioport:e000(size=4096) memory:fe100000-feafffff ioport:c0000000(size=268435456) *-pci:3 description: PCI bridge product: SB900 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 2) vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 15.2 bus info: pci@0000:00:15.2 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pci pm pciexpress msi ht normal_decode bus_master cap_list configuration: driver=pcieport resources: irq:16 ioport:d000(size=4096) ioport:d0000000(size=1048576) *-network description: Ethernet interface product: RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. physical id: 0 bus info: pci@0000:06:00.0 logical name: eth0 version: 06 serial: c8:9c:dc:a7:53:dc size: 100Mbit/s capacity: 1Gbit/s width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix vpd bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd 1000bt 1000bt-fd autonegotiation configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169 driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex=full firmware=rtl8168e-3_0.0.4 03/27/12 ip=192.168.1.89 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes port=MII speed=100Mbit/s resources: irq:40 ioport:d000(size=256) memory:d0004000-d0004fff memory:d0000000-d0003fff *-usb:5 description: USB controller product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 16 bus info: pci@0000:00:16.0 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz capabilities: ohci bus_master configuration: driver=ohci_hcd latency=64 resources: irq:18 memory:feb49000-feb49fff *-usb:6 description: USB controller product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 16.2 bus info: pci@0000:00:16.2 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz capabilities: pm debug ehci bus_master cap_list configuration: driver=ehci_hcd latency=64 resources: irq:17 memory:feb48000-feb480ff *-pci:1 description: Host bridge product: Family 12h/14h Processor Function 0 vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 101 bus info: pci@0000:00:18.0 version: 43 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz *-pci:2 description: Host bridge product: Family 12h/14h Processor Function 1 vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 102 bus info: pci@0000:00:18.1 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz *-pci:3 description: Host bridge product: Family 12h/14h Processor Function 2 vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 103 bus info: pci@0000:00:18.2 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz *-pci:4 description: Host bridge product: Family 12h/14h Processor Function 3 vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 104 bus info: pci@0000:00:18.3 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz configuration: driver=k10temp resources: irq:0 *-pci:5 description: Host bridge product: Family 12h/14h Processor Function 4 vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 105 bus info: pci@0000:00:18.4 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz *-pci:6 description: Host bridge product: Family 12h/14h Processor Function 6 vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 106 bus info: pci@0000:00:18.5 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz *-pci:7 description: Host bridge product: Family 12h/14h Processor Function 5 vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 107 bus info: pci@0000:00:18.6 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz *-pci:8 description: Host bridge product: Family 12h/14h Processor Function 7 vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) physical id: 108 bus info: pci@0000:00:18.7 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz xubuntu@xubuntu:~$

by **wyliecoyoteuk** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:29 pm

Looks like a PC world special, (not found on Acer site).
So a guess really.
As it is only a 32bit bus, I would guess no.

by **pedros** » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:17 am

oh well, back to the shop for me...

thanks folks

by **dandnsmith** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:44 pm

Not sure where that comment about 32-bit bus comes from - I've several examples of (old) systems which can drive 2 monitors from amd radeon chipsets.
Unfortunately, the easiest way I know to check whether 2 monitors are possible is by running WinXP with all the proprietary drivers installed.

by **wyliecoyoteuk** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:04 pm

dandnsmith wrote:Not sure where that comment about 32-bit bus comes from - I've several examples of (old) systems which can drive 2 monitors from amd radeon chipsets.
Unfortunately, the easiest way I know to check whether 2 monitors are possible is by running WinXP with all the proprietary drivers installed.

Read the display section in the lshw listing. my own Radeon motherboard (which will drive 2 monitors) has a 64bit bus.

So does the full version of the 6310, according to Wikipedia.

Seriously though, I could be wrong. I did say it was a guess, but being a budget proprietary motherboard, I wouldn't buy an extra monitor on the off chance.
You can get low-profile graphics cards though, so maybe try it and buy a gfx card if it doesn't work.

by **dandnsmith** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:39 am

I see what you're saying, but you've misunderstood what I said - I have several sets of hardware with radeon chipsets which can drive 2 monitors, and they have 32-bit bus.

by **ferrari** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:58 am

I see what you're saying, but you've misunderstood what I said - I have several sets of hardware with radeon chipsets which can drive 2 monitors, and they have 32-bit bus.

I agree. The architecture shouldn't come into it. I've also had 32-bit machines with radeon (and other graphics) hardware that supported dual display devices just fine.[/code]

by **wyliecoyoteuk** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:28 pm

I should have been clearer, sorry. I was just pointing out that it is a cut-down cheaper version of the card, the full 6310 has a 64/128bit bus and will drive up to 3 displays.
Knowing how manufacturers trim specs to save even a fraction of a cent per unit, I doubt that a cut-price version will drive 2 displays simultaneously.
I have had to install graphics cards in several manufactured PCs for just that reason. Even ones with 2 outputs will only drive one at a time.
Of course, as I said, I could be wrong.
The documentation as usual, is non-existent, so the only way to find out for sure is to plug 2 monitors in and try it.

As ever,YMMV

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