johnhudson wrote:I think you are confused; SUSE ships with Gnome, not with KDE.
If you are using KDE, then you are using openSUSE which is the community distribution which has nothing to do with the Microsoft-SUSE deal (and never has).
Er, yes, it is OpenSUSE which I guessed was connected with [Non-open]SUSE. If not, funny they have such similar names. However, seriously, thanks for highlighting the distiction and I think I shall do a bit more research as to the nature of the connection.
johnhudson wrote:The Microsoft-SUSE deal has been running for several years .... What you have read about is simply the most recent renewal of the deal.
I thought the previous agreement was MS-Novell, Novell having a base of former Netware customers, and that they would co-operate in supporting customers who wanted mixed Windows-Linux networks. In this Novell would use SUSE for the Linux side, at which time they began to sponsor SUSE. I did not have an issue with that. I did not know there was a direct MS-SUSE agreement before, and I had the impression (from the Techrights article linked in my first post) that the new deal put SUSE closer to MS, wheras before Novell was a buffer between them.
johnhudson wrote:Are you going to refuse to use Linux Kernel 3.0 because Microsoft was one of the biggest contibutors of new lines to it?
RedWillow wrote:Many people think Apple to be far more roguish than Microsoft. Apple own CUPS.
Oh crikey, I did not want to start a discussion of why MS are rogues, let alone bring Apple into it. My post was about the position of SUSE vis-a-vis MS. I have no particular views on Apple except that their stuff looks like another case triumph of "design over function".
I did dismantle a Mac desktop once to see if I could salvage anything, even screws or connectors. Inside it was built like a cheap toy - all held together with nasty "once only" plastic barbed clips. Nothing was salvagable.
Nevertheless, I Googled for "Apple Evil" and found quite a lot, but it seemed to me that the essential difference from "MS Evil" was that if Apple are evil it seems to be confined to their own customers who have wilfully bought into their system. Apple hardly affect me at all (I was going to say not at all - but thanks for pointing out about CUPS).
MS however have very successfully extended their reach way beyond willing customers in that I have been obliged to buy their unwanted OS pre-loaded on PCs, and worst of all they corrupted many National Standards bodies to railroad their OOXML document file standard (or rather non-standard) through :
www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070 ... +committee
... and Google for it ad nauseum if you will.
Even though I am not a MS customer this seriously affects me because I want a stable ISO document file standard so that things I write now (technical documents, family history) will be readable in decades to come. I do not want a document file standard under MS control that they will ditch in a 2 or 3 years time just to get people to buy their latest version of Word.