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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Home Brewed Distros

Postby Erin » Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:29 pm

I think the concensus is for this, even the cynics such as nelz and Rhakios if we just don't go for gold and end up falling short. I have to fully agree with JM too. So let me suggest some basic considerations from my perspective:

*/ To plan a distro and what to include, software/config choices and planning. No cost to LXF, get some ground works set and see who will stick with the project

*/ Get into feasibility studies such as production of documentation, CVS, website. Possible cost to LXF if providing webspace. More articles showing considerations are not just which (not-Nick) editor to choose

*/ Produce a base system and add some tools, LXF branding and make an ISO. Little more LXF cost, including the ISO on the CD/DVD but plenty more articles and something to show for it. I think this is the easiest step of all and those involved here will stick with it.

*/ Final possible step is to update it at some point but I think the project should be shot with vigour before we get here.

As I see it the core point of this project is education and covering what LXF so far has not. It will involve people at all levels, of all talents and from all disciplines. Why not even get schools involved if people on here have access to them. Anyway, the point is not to produce a distro but to learn about team work, configuration, system intigration and to give deeper insight for all into how Linux works. I cannot see how anyone wouldn't learn something.

As for LXF, it can bail at any time, there is no or minimal cost and the articles stemming from it won't depend on the project. It will also look good on people's CVs and the product with works can be given to the community as a whole. Even if it is a single document, isn't that worth it?

I have suggested a simple distro based on something with a huge repository behind it, i.e. Debian. We should make it as useable as possible on as much hardware as we can (emulated too for testing) so use alternatives to GNOME/KDE such as Fluxbox or Xfce. No Vi/Emacs, nano or similar, no Openoffice or other large aplications. Just stuff with a low memory footprint, alternative to maximise the learning process but all the maximum productivity. I would guess each choice would be by discussion but the goals for the distro would need to be agreed outside the application selection.

If we make some initial decisions or agreements, lets put it in the magazine as a one off article to see if we can get other interest too. You know it makes sense.

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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Home Brewed Distros

Postby Nigel » Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:46 pm

I certainly like the idea of a minimalist but useful distro. Something that can be run on the sort of machine that is dropping out of common use in schools/businesses (something like a P233 or PII 300) and can be picked up for next to nothing.

We can use 1sf (troll) as a guinea-pig for installation - if it can go wrong, it will for him :wink:

Count me in... I don't have vast amounts of spare time, but I think I can lay my hands on a suitable low-spec PC for testing, and would very much like to participate in a project like this. I have C programming and some scripting skills (more csh than bash, but I can learn :)), and some experience in writing instructions for non-computer-specialists.
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Home Brewed Distros

Postby Rhakios » Sat Aug 13, 2005 9:29 pm

Nigel wrote:We can use 1sf (troll) as a guinea-pig for installation - if it can go wrong, it will for him :wink:

Count me in... I don't have vast amounts of spare time,


And yet you want 1sf (troll) as the guinea pig. I sense a contradiction :lol:
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Home Brewed Distros

Postby Nigel » Sat Aug 13, 2005 9:54 pm

Rhakios wrote:And yet you want 1sf (troll) as the guinea pig. I sense a contradiction :lol:


Good point... perhaps we can make him the final pre-release test, after the obvious problems have been sorted...
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Home Brewed Distros

Postby nelz » Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:10 am

Nigel wrote:We can use 1sf (troll) as a guinea-pig for installation - if it can go wrong, it will for him :wink:


And if it can't go wrong, it still will for him :lol:
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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Home Brewed Distros

Postby jjmac » Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:44 pm

Just keyed in ...

http://www.linuxformat.com/wiki/
http://www.linuxformat.com/wikie/
http://www.linuxformat.com/wikei/
http://www.linuxformat.com/wieki/
http://www.linuxformat.com/weiki/

And got ...

"The requested URL /wiki/ was not found on this server."

Would the wiki be usefull concerning this ?. If people agreed to stick with basic LFSS standards, and the unix model, as such, then inclusions should be fairly easy to do ... without to much dramatics getting in the way.

Different people could drift in and out, contributing units/programs/facilities that __they__ are familiar with, resulting in a possibly slow, but none the less gradual all over creation.

The existing forum could be used as a communication link, allowing every one involved in the LXF forums to contribute their opinions and suggestions with out having to be directly involved. The publicness of the forums may even attract some proffesional interest/advice which could only be helpfull. Trying to enforce some type of commitment model too, i don't think would be a good idea. It's ok for people like Mr Knopper, who are obviously very skilled people in computer science fields, have you ever looked over the init script that he wrote for his LiveCD Knoppix expression (good_grief). But most people here, though often involved in the industry, are basically hobbyists. And are also prone to "things cropping up in life" which can interfere in longterm project commitments. So a degree of flexability would be needed to deal with those things as and when they arise.. Also, the whole thing should be __fun__ and non-exclusive. Everyone should have a chance to get in on the act, so to speak. I guess the hardest bit will be actually making the start.

I'm having this fantasy at the moment ... it could also involve a "Sane Installer !". Good grief ... could that be possible. Something that allows people to choose the vga resolution their going to use, and to be able to customise the install at that stage ... all from a GU interface. Without clobbering an existing, fully functioning bootstrap in the process (grin). And with info linked in !. Or is that just pipe dreaming, ... though ... without the pipe, (worse luck) :)


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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Home Brewed Distros

Postby jjmac » Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:14 am

Furthering on the above ... how about a start that just focused on say ... the gentoo 1st stage ?, with a focus that simply involves pulling it apart and then putting it back together again, a bit like an old car !. With discussion centering around that ... getting it on to a cd, and including an installer. Which itself would need to be pulled apart and then put back together again Hopefully without any spare parts left over :).

But ... how to go about that. Where to store the image, do people just use their own copies. That would make it harder for everyone to see the existing state. Some common image would be needed there. A bit like cvs or possibly something like "Subversion" as mentioned on LXF68 July '05 Page: 84.

Heaps of time there :), but sounds like it would be fun.



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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Home Brewed Distros

Postby M-Saunders » Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:38 am

Getting the Wiki up and running (and restoring the old content) is on my TODO list -- hopefully pretty soon, when I've got another 5 big things sorted out :)

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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Home Brewed Distros

Postby jjmac » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:56 am

[ only 5 ] :)


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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Home Brewed Distros

Postby M-Saunders » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:06 am

Yeah, but they split up into 9 sub-tasks each :)

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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Home Brewed Distros

Postby Erin » Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:59 pm

Is the LXFC distro going to be a go-er then?

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Home Brewed Distros

Postby Nigel » Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:26 pm

Erin wrote:Is the LXFC distro going to be a go-er then?


Are you volunteering to be project leader/coordinator ? ;)
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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Home Brewed Distros

Postby Erin » Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:23 am

Volunteering or volunteered?

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Home Brewed Distros

Postby Nigel » Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:40 am

Erin wrote:Volunteering or volunteered?


Whichever :D

But for this to work, it will need someone with the time and the enthusiasm to coordinate it. I'm willing (even eager) to contribute, but I'm not the right person to lead the project.

Would the LXF staff be happier with one of their own number leading it, or are they happy to leave it to the forum members to organise ourselves and then just write about the mess we get ourselves into :?: :lol:
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RE: Home Brewed Distros

Postby Erin » Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:03 am

I'd suggest a select committee to be honest. Time is like sex, you never have enough and only talk about it when you haven't got any. Hmm, that sounded better in my head.

Anyway, happy to take part of the lead. Not sure I have enough time to take sole charge. I would hope some or all of LXF staff would get involved anyway. After all, it is community.

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