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Nigel
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:57 pm    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Motorcycles and Parking Reply with quote

Oh, I don't know - they're tough little bu**ers... Mendips Raceway regularly hold Reliant Robin races, including a figure-of-eight where the last one still running is the winner - it's incredible how long they survive for. No namby-pamby non-contact racing here !
Especially funny is when one of them corners too hard & tips over on it's side - you often see the driver's arm reach out the window & push it upright again !
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:32 pm    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Motorcycles and Parking Reply with quote

I bet they're fun to watch, Nigel Very Happy

I went to see some stock car racing once, it was quite entertaining. Especially when they brought out a "monster truck" and completely destroyed a caravan Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:19 pm    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Motorcycles and Parking Reply with quote

In that case you'd love "Caravandalism"... each year, on the August Bank Holiday, the last race on the program at Mendip Raceway is a demolition derby for bangers towing caravans. They have to have it as the last event - by the end there's so much wreckage over the track it must take them a week to clear it up ! Laughing

Actually, that brings an idea to mind - Ben - is there anything in the rules that says you can't use your parking permit for a caravan ? Get a decent sized one and you've got a workshop as well as a garage...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:48 pm    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Motorcycles and Parking Reply with quote

Thats not a half bad idea, may have to look into that one. I'm expecting a letter in the next few days to say how the meeting went, with any luck it will be good news though I'm not holding my breath.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:38 pm    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Motorcycles and Parking Reply with quote

AFAIK you can't park a caravan on a public road unless it's attached to a taxed and insured vehicle. I don't think putting a bike inside constitutes attached Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:48 pm    Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Motorcycles and Parking Reply with quote

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I don't think putting a bike inside constitutes attached Sad


Attached with what, though? Rope? Long enough to go from the front, through a window and onto a bike? Cool

By the way, I think the flat-bed truck is the best idea if you can get hold of one cheap enough or loan one. It shows the council policy up for what it is, a load of crap - you get to keep 3 vehicles in the same place, for a third of the price they want to charge you to keep 2!

I'm not a bike person myself, but I do hope you manage to resolve the problem with parking as its just one of those stupid things that councils do. The most recent council stupidy story that springs to mind is the painting of double-yellow lines on a road after a car had already parked on an "unlined" road. The painters had actually gone around the wheels of the car Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:59 pm    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Motorcycles and Parking Reply with quote

Nice! Yea I am intending on pressuring them until I get at least a creditable reason as to why they cannot do it. Getting hold of a flat bed should be of no issue.

You are probably right about the caravan Nelz, so I will gave to get a motorhome Wink actually thinking about it a horsebox with an engine would be perfect, its got tonnes of space and its classified as a vehicle Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:35 pm    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Motorcycles and Parking Reply with quote

Howdy shifty,


I think you should try and contact a 'legal aid' group. Or a civil advocacy/liberties group. As they will have the relevant knowledge, and time, to get the quickest solution. If there is a group like that you can contact. In the inner Sydney suburbs they exist and can at times be effective. Actions you take will cost you time and that will cost you money. It's an old bureaucratic leverage point.

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they issue one permit per household for 30 a year.
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Is there that much traffic there.... One per household ... like they figure ... the husband, the wife, the two to three kids ... good_grief. To think people like that actually have power. I lived at a place where we had to get a council sticker to put on a vehicle to allow local parking at one time. In my case a bike, but there was no charge. If you didn't have the sticker though ,,, they would swoop on you. I can remember chasing this damn tow truck driver up the street once, on foot. I'm standing there and he drives by, with my friggin car hooked up to the back of his truck. Another story though. Parking after a certain time, about 5 mins, own fault though.

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Great! I thought, until I found the relevant document on their site, they are going to charge 60 a year for the second permit!

I have checked, and I can park both our bikes with room for another in the space absorbed by a Ford Focus (Pretty much the smallest car I have seen in the zones, there are a lot of Volvo Estates) so I am buggered if I am paying 60 to park a second bike in less space than a car would use with one 30 permit.
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Yes, thats blatant profiteering on their part. Some advocacy group may be able to lobby on that point.

I like the truck idea but .... can you afford all that. Would there be a neighbour handy who could help out ... shed, front yard ... i expect that would already have been looked at though.

Lifes a pain in the input buffer enough with out having to put up with madness like that.


All i can think of ... Good Luck


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:20 am    Post subject: Re: RE: Motorcycles and Parking Reply with quote

nelz wrote:
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Ben - what happens if you just park on the pavement outside your house ? Technically you're then blocking the public footpath rather than parking without a permit...


Technically, you're parking and blocking the footpath Sad

Part of the problem is that the law requires vehicles to be parked parallel to the kerb unless in a bay marked otherwise, so parking two bikes in the space needed by one car is technically illegal anyway. The council could give you 60 in tickets every time they felt like it.

The flatbed idea gets my vote, and would probably get you on the local TV news Smile


2 Bikes can be parked parallel to the pavement in the space of one car...

Flatbed good idea for the media but very unpractical in the end, having to ramp up the bikes day in day out.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:59 am    Post subject: Re: RE: Motorcycles and Parking Reply with quote

Ram wrote:
2 Bikes can be parked parallel to the pavement in the space of one car...


Unfortunately, the law stipulates "parallel to and close to the kerb" Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:25 am    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Motorcycles and Parking Reply with quote

True but given that bays are marked out (or to be more accurate one really long bay running parrallel to the pavement) how do we stand there? IF your vehicle does not run outside of the line surely that doesn't break the law?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:31 am    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Motorcycles and Parking Reply with quote

Quite possibly. AFAIK, the part I mentioned only applies to unmarked roadside parking. Any marked bays override this - otherwise motorcycle bays would be illegal. I'd suggest asking the Citizens' Advice Bureau about this.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:29 pm    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Motorcycles and Parking Reply with quote

Well I figue I will see what they say about this meeting, the prbolem with CAB is that the council have set up a new all-in-one premises for everything like that, and I could well end up with one of the councils people acting on behalf of CAB. Not that I don't trust the council or anything Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:27 pm    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Motorcycles and Parking Reply with quote

With CAB you can ask to speak to someone who isn't a council employee and any adviser worth his salt would tell of any conflicts of interest
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:02 pm    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Motorcycles and Parking Reply with quote

Well hopefully I will receive a letter in the next few days saying that they agree with me, and I can park both bikes there under one permit or for a second permit costing no more than the first permit.

Course I'm not holding my breath, but once I have seen the letter I will evalute the next steps, I still like the flatbed idea tho Very Happy
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