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SUSE 9.2>9.3 upgrade USB broken, other issues..

Postby wyliecoyoteuk » Sat May 28, 2005 10:57 am

Upgrading to 9.3 from 9.2.
Virgin install great on athlon box.

So tried upgrading my Laptop- at end of first part of install Yast could not write the boot loader!
Did a fresh install -OK assumed it was the wierd partitioning on my IBM.

So to my desktop machine at home.
same problem.
Eventually figured out that it was LBA32 support not turned on in lilo.conf

but now..USB doesn`t work
dmesg gives me lots of these:

sym0:5:0:phase change 6-7 9@1f1cff84 resid=7

usb-uhci or ohci sare not loaded, but the kernel is compiled with usb support.

I suppose this is a warning against upgrading a stable system, but I just wanted to save the grief of reinstalling and reconfiguring loads of stuff.

The frustrating thing is that I backed everything up to a 160 Gb USB drive (sigh)

Any ideas?
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RE: SUSE 9.2>9.3 upgrade USB broken, other issues..

Postby Rhakios » Sat May 28, 2005 3:20 pm

Well, I always do fresh installs (though I usually keep /home), I also back up /etc then drop some of my customised config files back afterwards.
Although doing an upgrade is quicker in theory, when you do hit a problem with an upgrade you soon lose all the time you thought you might have saved.
I also noticed on the release notes that there were a variety of problems with the upgrade path, though not ones you mention.
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Re: RE: SUSE 9.2>9.3 upgrade USB broken, other issues..

Postby towy71 » Sat May 28, 2005 5:20 pm

Rhakios wrote:Although doing an upgrade is quicker in theory, .

I have been farting around ineffectually with linux for 7 or 8 years now and have found that the upgrade path is littered with potholes for the unwary, take it from me clean install is the only way. You must backup al config files and your home directory should be a separate partition.
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Re: RE: SUSE 9.2>9.3 upgrade USB broken, other issues..

Postby nelz » Sat May 28, 2005 8:20 pm

towy71 wrote:I have been farting around ineffectually with linux for 7 or 8 years now and have found that the upgrade path is littered with potholes for the unwary, take it from me clean install is the only way.


That really depends on the distro you use. Gentoo never needs to be reinstalled, because it has rolling updates, a release is only a snapshot of the status at a particular time. Debian is similar in this respect. The likes of SUSE and FC (and lately Mandr{ake,iva}) are far more likely to barf on an update, although I went several years with only updates to Mandrake.
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RE: Re: RE: SUSE 9.2>9.3 upgrade USB broken, other issues

Postby wyliecoyoteuk » Tue May 31, 2005 10:19 pm

Update:
the sym0:5:0:phase change 6-7 9@1f1cff84 resid=7 message is apparently due to my (extremely old) Diamond Fireport SCSI card not being supported under the latest kernel.
This screwed the USB mounting etc.

Oh well, it hasn`t worked on windows since I went to XP anyway, and these days I only have a 100Mb Zip drive on it.
(Which I haven`t used in ages, come to think of it).
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Re: RE: SUSE 9.2>9.3 upgrade USB broken, other issues..

Postby towy71 » Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:37 am

nelz wrote:Debian is similar in this respect. The likes of SUSE and FC (and lately Mandr{ake,iva}) are far more likely to barf on an update, although I went several years with only updates to Mandrake.


Sorry I should have said that the ineffectual faffing was mostly with SuSE, Mandrake and other "newbie friendly" distros.
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RE: Re: RE: SUSE 9.2>9.3 upgrade USB broken, other issues

Postby wyliecoyoteuk » Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:31 pm

I should add that I finally gave up and did a fresh install , keeping /home, then recreated myself as a user using my old home directory. This worked, although trying it in the past (on various distros) has caused problems with KDE.
Worked fine, but the sym0 error remained until I pulled the SCSI card.
Apparently , there are also issues with (as I do) using a seperate /usr partition, which can cause usb mount problems.

What annoys me is that a system which was correctly configured and worked fine with suse 9.0 and 9.1, should be broken by an upgrade to 9.2.
The configuration was not changed, but the upgrade process tried to (incorrectly) alter it anyway.

Otherwise, after removing my old SCSI card, and updating suse, my USB devices all work well(even the pocket pc pda!!)
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RE: Re: RE: SUSE 9.2>9.3 upgrade USB broken, other issues

Postby skecs » Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:27 am

I went to do an upgrade from Suse 9.1 to Suse 9.2 (after changing from Red Hat 7.2 - 9.0) and looked at the dependencies error lists and decided that I'd do the clean install with /home just remounted (I also have a /data partition that just I remounted at the same time) as this is a simple process during the partitioning phase of a YaST install. I noticed that there were errors sometimes with KDE & Gnome, but these were preference files. Make sure you have exported your mail, bookmarks, all all of your logins/passwords etc and then just delete the .kde and .gnome files (and the .mozilla if you're having problems). These files are autogenerated when logging on. This is just the same as updating any OS - back-up your data and prevent any data loss.

towy71 - "Sorry I should have said that the ineffectual faffing was mostly with SuSE, Mandrake and other "newbie friendly" distros."

As for the GUI interface being for newbies - sometimes it is quicker with a GUI, sometimes it is quicker from the comand line - use the tool that makes life easier. This also applies to the Mac OS X, Linux web & proxy servers and Windows XP/Server 2000/Server 2003 network that I support as part of my job. Even Apple recognise this - they teach CLI as part of their certification courses including OS X 10.4 "Tiger" Workstation & Server that I'm certifying on at the moment.

As for reviews, reports and discussions about OS choices here are a few quotes:
"Windows is clearly going to be a dominant force, and will influence the future user interface ..."
and:
"No single computer, much less a single piece of software, can be all things to all people."
and:
"Life has become easier for users: now they can buy a modem, printer or other peripheral and plug it straight in; ... "

These are pretty common quotes floating around about Windows, Linux and Mac OS X by authors around the world. The first quote is from a review of Windows 1.0 and the other two from an article "Tinkling Bell's Crystals - The Future!". These were all written in "your computer" - September 1986. Now try to tell me that computing has changed and that CLI and GUI are exclusive!

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RE: Re: RE: SUSE 9.2>9.3 upgrade USB broken, other issues

Postby nelz » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:31 am

If you keep your home directory, you may need to chown it after reinstalling. Even if you keep the same username, the new installation may have given you a new UID and/or GID. As root, do

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chown -R myuser: ~myuser
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RE: Re: RE: SUSE 9.2>9.3 upgrade USB broken, other issues

Postby Rhakios » Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:38 pm

I find that SuSE asks if I want to adopt the files in /home/rhakios when I do such an install, then chowns them, though as I always seem to end up with the same uid I don't expec it's doing much.
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RE: Re: RE: SUSE 9.2>9.3 upgrade USB broken, other issues

Postby towy71 » Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:43 pm

indeed but try installing a different distro and the uid defaults may be different, Mandrake uses 501 upwards debian seems to use 1001 upwards :roll:
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RE: Re: RE: SUSE 9.2>9.3 upgrade USB broken, other issues

Postby Rhakios » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:15 pm

I thought this thread was about SuSE :P
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RE: Re: RE: SUSE 9.2>9.3 upgrade USB broken, other issues

Postby towy71 » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:26 pm

yes but even so the question was upgrade or new install and as a corollary.....
the subject also mentions other issues :P

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RE: Re: RE: SUSE 9.2>9.3 upgrade USB broken, other issues

Postby Rhakios » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:54 pm

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RE: Re: RE: SUSE 9.2>9.3 upgrade USB broken, other issues

Postby Guest » Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:01 am

Well, sorry to hear about all the problems but I can only say that I upgraded from suse 8.1 to 9.2, then 9.2 to 9.3 and the only thing that happened was everything worked better, drives recognised, configurations still there, etc. Well, except for my computer clock running slow (a minor problem). I have a variety of external drives both pcmcia and usb and all are recognised and write OK. So I have to vote for upgrading rather than clean install.

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