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Postby nordle » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:18 am

Snow Joke:

I drive 25 miles to work each day, why, because I can't afford to live in town where the jobs are. So I'm out in the sticks, where the bus leaves the village twice a week, and its a 7 mile bike ride to the train station to fork out £12 for a ticket which would normally cost me £1.60 in petrol. Today was an example, the train (new rolling stock) was 15mins late, I had to stand all the way and the heater was stuck on, so we all stood their sweating looking out the window at those people who could control when they left, how hot they were, didn't have to add 90mins to their journey or fork out a fortune for the privalege to stand sweating buckets.
So if the government want people to cut their carbon consumption, they will have to promote home working, build more equity share properties in town, or subsidise the public transport system to a greater extent (except that would be a massive back track on the privitisation, and that is effectively what we had 20 years ago).
Oh yeah, and stick a flipping huge amount of tax on aviation fuel.

I too get stuck behind suv's in country lanes where they can't fit when an oncoming walker is on the other side of the road. I too have to overtake miles of strewn 4x4's outside schools with sucidal mothers flinging open their 1/3 tonne vehicle doors without looking.

BUT... what really gets on my tits, is cyclists, and people who rave on about cycling saving the world. Frankly these poeple are just selfish and slightly deluded.

Someone, explain to me how a cyclist who pays no road tax at all is considered green when they cause massive tail backs. Everyday, especially in the summer, I get stuck in traffic at least 4 times in the journey, sometimes for 5mins in a 2 mile queue. So, you've got hundreds of cars which are a rolling road block, all in 1st/2nd gear, all expelling more c02 and for a much longer period than if the traffic was free flowing in a higher gear. So after 10mins, what was the obstruction, a frickin cyclist, yes very green that. Cars moving in 2nd gear, then the inevitable stab of the accelartor to get past in the oncoming gap, expelling way more emmissions than normal. God help you if a coach gets caught behind. Hundreds of vehicles, miles of road, all chugging and belching out emissions that they need not.
But at least those half a dozen cyclists have saved half a dozens cars worth. Oh and they'll be fitter, mmm, all those fumes as hundreds of veicles have to accelerate past them, breath deeply cyclist, feel fitter? They won't be a drain on the NHS with respiratory problems in the furture will they.

Then there's the insurance, many cyclists seem to totally ignore the highway code and general commone sense, they use the road yet they don't have insurance. So if a cyclist scrapes your car when filtering, or you crash having to take avoiding action, who pays the bill, the motorist.

They stuck a single cycle lane on a main road where we live, its dangerous as they moved the white line over (but not the cat eyes) and did not widen the road. The 50mph road is now covered in glass from mirrors, as the vehicles are now in a near permanent head on collision. But the cyclist, who increases pollution through creating traffic jams, pays nothing in the way of insurance and nothing for road tax, yet has had the road layout changed paid from taxes, they are ok at least, those half dosen souls trying to intoxicate themselves (this does of course depend on the area).

Alot of this country is too small for dedicated cycle lanes! It would not be a problem if 75% of us used bikes, and bikes paid road tax to fund changes, and bikes paid insurance like everyone else to cover their mistakes, but its only 4% and its never going to swing the other way (25yrs at least). So yet again, 96% of the road using people get grief because 4% feel they are "doing their bit", like I said, selfish and short sighted.

If 75% used bikes, and that was to just get to the local train station with a fantastic value for money service which was always on time, high frequency and you could sit down, magic.

Get gov's to really push for hydrogen vehicles, where the only emmission is water (ignoring the environmental impact of the build for the moment). With high tax on aviation fuel, financial incentives for people to recycle much more of their daily waste (incentive or penalty??)
Local town planners to make solar pannels standard on new builds and not freak out when others try to get it added (goes against local look). More home working incentives, also higher bandwidth infrastructure.
In the short term, subsidise gas or up the tax on coal to stop power stations switching back to coal due to massive hike in gas prices.
In Scotaland they manufacture high quality tidal machines for export, were a flipping island with some of the strongest currents! Make use of that power in creating renewable energy sources.
Improve home engery efficiency, offer incentives on using class A (efficency rating) white goods. Use more boilers which use solar pannel to heat water, with the steam then used to power a mini turbine which puts electricity back into the grid, P2P electricity if you like (saw it a few years ago).

Anyway, that's my last few months worth of saved up ranting all used now :)


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RE: snow joke

Postby M-Saunders » Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:33 am

I do wonder about some of the 'schemes' that have been devised. In Ormsgill, near Barrow-in-Furness, the council painted cycle lanes on some of the roads through the town. Ostensibly a good thing -- but they allowed cars to park on the cycle lanes!

So cyclists have to keep weaving out of the lanes onto the road to avoid parked cars, which means drivers have to be more aware, and it all gets messy. Cycling is great, but they clearly haven't thought some things through :-)

BTW, what's the new rolling stock in your area? I hope they're not another brand of Voyager/Meridian... *shudders*

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RE: snow joke

Postby nordle » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:29 am

South Western is the owner, don't know who made them. Very smooth, push button, LED scrolling affairs. As well as hot, late and expensive!

I wasn't toooo bothered it was late, as I didn't have a strict time frame but I can imagine others would have been annoyed. No, I wasn't annoyed, until the computer generated tone rang across the platform "The 16:22 service, travelling to hell, is running approximately 15 minutes late. We are REALLY REALLY truly sorry, honest."

It just grates to here how "truly sorry" they are through a stuttering computer with a dstinct pause and change in pitch between each word as it seaches through its vocab list.

The other funny schemes include where there is a 100mtr strip of cycle lane, in the middle of a stretch of road, but nothing for miles around it, no other cycle lane at all except that 100mtr strip, bizarre.

You can imagine being a tourist on my original example. These crazy british, driving during the day Im nearly bashing mirrors with hundrerds of oncoming cars and I see just 2 cyclists in that stretch a week. Then at night, if I follow the cats eyes, then I WILL hit the oncoming traffic about 1.5ft off a head on collision, which would probably send the car spinning off and killing the cyclist in the cycle lane.

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RE: snow joke

Postby M-Saunders » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:23 am

Yeah, Birmingham New Street has a computerised announcer who likes to apologise. Poor chap. When Virgin Cross Country was faffing around at about 65% punctuality (sigh), he'd never have a few minutes to relax. And he gave it a personal touch too: "I'm very sorry for the delay." It must break his heart :-)

Now we just need some disgruntled rail staff to reword the automated apologies...

"I'm sorry to announce that the 19:05 to Glasgow Central is running approximately 45 minutes late. This is due to shoddy planning, cheaply built trains, hilariously mismanaged privatisation, lack of TOC communication and unworkable layers of bureaucracy."

Grrrr :-)

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Re: snow joke

Postby towy71 » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:27 pm

nordle wrote:Alot of this country is too small for dedicated cycle lanes!

When I were a lad I and thousands of others all cycled to work, my ride was 7 miles each way and I was not alone. The infernal combustion engine is a wonderful thing and better that 50 or so people got into a larger vehicle to move about.If it weren't for all the blooming hills here in rural west Wales I would still be chugging along on the old bike ;-)
Oh and nordle, calm down dear, you'll give yourself a heart attack :wink: :roll:
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RE: Re: snow joke

Postby nordle » Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:31 pm

Bit of a Michael Winner moment there towy71 :wink:

Will calm down now :)
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Re: RE: snow joke

Postby Nigel » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:33 pm

M-Saunders wrote:"I'm sorry to announce that the 19:05 to Glasgow Central is running approximately 45 minutes late. This is due to shoddy planning, cheaply built trains, hilariously mismanaged privatisation, lack of TOC communication and unworkable layers of bureaucracy."


Some years ago when I was regularly suffering "Great" Western's "service" in & out of Paddington, there was a conductor who did occasionally make announcements in that vein. I heard a rumour that they threatened to sack him but had to back down when the passengers demanded he be allowed to continue...
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RE: Re: RE: snow joke

Postby wyliecoyoteuk » Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:03 pm

I think you are just blaming cyclists for the fact that most cars these days are wider, heavier and less fuel efficient in real terms than they were 5 yrs ago.
As a largely field based engineer, (over the last 20 years),I cover about 25000 miles a year (used to be about 50,000), and the main problems I see are not cyclists but selfish, ignorant drivers in cars too big for roads built before the onset of the SUV.
Considering that we have problems with congestion, fuel supply, and pollution, it makes no sense that SUV sales are up, most current car models are larger than their predecessors, and consume more fuel.
You probably hate caravans as well.
Have you ever thought that those cyclists maybe can't afford to buy the 1/2 ton liability that you drive?
Get a life and stop complaining about people who avoid the Chelsea tractor.
Not all cyclists choose to ride a bike ( unless you count walking 5 miles to the nearest train station as on option), ALL car drivers choose to use one.
I have driven up to 300 miles a day as part of my working life for the last 20-odd years, on motorways, country lanes and city streets, and it never ceases to amaze me how people always see minor problems as major, rant,rant..
Another common one is "why are there lorries on the motorway? we should ban them" the answer is of course is "because that's why the motorway is there, stupid, maybe we should ban private cars" or perhaps you would prefer your local supermarket to only have fresh tomatoes once a week?
The real problem with roads is that there are too many vehicles for them, and the way we live continues to make it worse.
By the way, my latest car is smaller than my last, but disappointingly only marginally more fuel efficient, because of it's lower emissions.
Plus, where I live, country homes cost far more than city ones. I would love to move to a village, I just can't afford it, unless I want to downsize to a shoebox.
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RE: Re: RE: snow joke

Postby towy71 » Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:29 pm

I object to the Michael Winner comparison, grrrrr (because I'm younger, prettier and more talented) ;-)
SUVs should be taxed at 1000GBP per year and caravans should require the same and an HGV licence as well. Give all those bloody Michaela Schumakers taking kids to school tricycle rickshaws! And finally the top weight for trucks should be 10 tonnes and two axles.
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Re: RE: Re: RE: snow joke

Postby Rhakios » Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:12 pm

towy71 wrote: And finally the top weight for trucks should be 10 tonnes and two axles.


Absolutely, this would a boon for the small builders' merchant. :)
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Re: RE: Re: RE: snow joke

Postby nordle » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:05 pm

wyliecoyoteuk wrote:I think you are just blaming cyclists for the fact that most cars these days are wider, heavier and less fuel efficient in real terms than they were 5 yrs ago.
Considering that we have problems with congestion, fuel supply, and pollution, it makes no sense that SUV sales are up, most current car models are larger than their predecessors, and consume more fuel.

Some are, some are not eg
1.9 Escort 34MPG
2.0 Focus 34MPG

wyliecoyoteuk wrote:You probably hate caravans as well.

Not at all. Caravans, unlike cyclists, generally travel at >10mph and are usually attached to a vehicle where the driver has paid road tax and insurance.
And none of our roads locally have been drastically changed to fit caravan users.

wyliecoyoteuk wrote:Have you ever thought that those cyclists maybe can't afford to buy the 1/2 ton liability that you drive?

Its 1 tonne, and not every cyclist can't afford a car. I can't afford a helicopter, so I don't have one. The point is that many claim they helping to save the environment by cutting carbon emissions, when in many places they are directly responsible for increasing them. And they use the highways, cause congestion and accidents yet don't pay tax or insurance.

wyliecoyoteuk wrote:Get a life and stop complaining about people who avoid the Chelsea tractor.

LMAO hahaha :lol:

wyliecoyoteuk wrote:Not all cyclists choose to ride a bike ( unless you count walking 5 miles to the nearest train station as on option), ALL car drivers choose to use one.

Now I know I like my broad sweeping generalisations, but c'mon. Farmers, families, people who travel to work and don't want to pay a fortune for trains.
Out here the bus service is a joke and the trains cost a fortune.

wyliecoyoteuk wrote:I have driven up to 300 miles a day as part of my working life for the last 20-odd years, on motorways, country lanes and city streets, and it never ceases to amaze me how people always see minor problems as major, rant,rant..

You must have known I was being a little tongue in cheek right.

wyliecoyoteuk wrote:Another common one is "why are there lorries on the motorway? we should ban them" the answer is of course is "because that's why the motorway is there, stupid, maybe we should ban private cars" or perhaps you would prefer your local supermarket to only have fresh tomatoes once a week?

what???, now who's ranting my freind :)

wyliecoyoteuk wrote:The real problem with roads is that there are too many vehicles for them, and the way we live continues to make it worse.

Absolutely, we need more roads (ensuring they are wider) and cyclists to pay road tax for their use ;)

wyliecoyoteuk wrote:Plus, where I live, country homes cost far more than city ones. I would love to move to a village, I just can't afford it, unless I want to downsize to a shoebox.

Country homes, what, doesn't everyone go shooting and fishing on their estates?
Which reminds me, I must ask jeeves to reshoe my steed for this months fox hunting (we only do drag hunting now, honest).
I rent a room in shared accomodation, its £75 pw, not to mention cheaper council tax. They are just building some starter homes for £90k for 1 bed flats, in town these are currently £145k!

wyliecoyoteuk wrote:By the way, my latest car is smaller than my last, but disappointingly only marginally more fuel efficient, because of it's lower emissions.

I rode a CG125 for 3 years, right until I got t-boned at a junction in broad day lgiht into the path of a small lorry. Up until that point, on a bad day it achieved 96MPG with a top of 106MPG. And yes, I paid insurance road tax and did the speed limit, not causing any traffic build ups behind me.

I would just like to not here all the time from the media how bloody marvelous cyclists are, and how they are saving the environment. Its never that black and white is it.
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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: snow joke

Postby shifty_ben » Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:20 am

I would just like to not here all the time from the media how bloody marvelous cyclists are, and how they are saving the environment. Its never that black and white is it.


Hear Hear! Although I think they work more on the argument IF everyone cycled then the environment...... which to be fair is true. I rode an AR125 which had pretty incredible fuel consumption, yet it was less than half that of my fathers car. Cyclists (especially the younger variety ;) ) can be and are a liability. Half the kids out there don't even have working brakes, now if you took your car out in that fashion and had an accident what would happen? Having said that SUVs are rediculous, I used to live on a road with a primary school at the end, and the number of mothers who would park/drive badly down my road was unbelievable. Its one thing to live somewhere you NEED something like an SUV but in my old area it was inexscusable to have such a large car. Problem is it was (and to an extent) still is fashionable in that age group
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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: snow joke

Postby jjmac » Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:03 am

Howdy All,

This thread didn't take long, :shock: 8)

nordle wrote:
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You can imagine being a tourist on my original example. These crazy british,driving during the day Im nearly bashing mirrors with hundrerds of oncoming cars and I see just 2 cyclists in that stretch a week. Then at night, if I follow the cats eyes, then I WILL hit the oncoming traffic about 1.5ft off a head on collision, which would probably send the car spinning off and killing the cyclist in the cycle lane.

Make affordable flying cars, and I'll be happy :)
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Sounds very similar to here, every one must have similar influences i guess .... It reminds me of the scenario where "water baord" people come along and dig a trench in the road and apparently do something. Hard to say exactly what. 3 workers, a foreman and a superviser, plus a guy to drive the truck. Only the 3 blokes are actually obseved doing anything. It takes a week too. The tench is about 4 yards by 2 feet and about 2 feet deep (grin) .... If it was a body it probably wouldn't have been that long. But seems to short for much else.

Next week, another department comes along and digs up the same spot. Result, allowing for the offsets, a very lumpy/patchy and spotty tared road.

Over here (N.S.W) Victorias completely different. Smooth roads, no lumps or patch evidence. So -=-=-=- "it is possible" !

Your not wrong though nordle, it "is" crazy !, but apparently crazy culture has been around for so long that it's considered normal. And when ever it takes on the status of becoming a tradition ... then the hope for change becomes well nigh impossible in the direction.

But if you shoot one, you only end up having to shoot em all in the end (grin). It still is tempting at times though. They sound like radical rail prices too ... as they are over here, but, 12 pounds :shocked: ... that must be for the week, as a weekly pass rate ?, not for just one day !

Can you imagine the air crashes (grin). But then, on the Jetsons everyone flew in ordered lines didn't they. I suspect that show was a bit stylised in a way.

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Now we just need some disgruntled rail staff to reword the automated apologies...
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(big_grin.png) Do you mean, like, --- Moscow 1918 (or there abouts) ... beware, the CIA is everywhere :)


Now to actually read past the first two posts :roll:


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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: snow joke

Postby nordle » Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:28 am

shifty_ben wrote:
I would just like to not here all the time from the media how bloody marvelous cyclists are, and how they are saving the environment. Its never that black and white is it.


Hear Hear! Although I think they work more on the argument IF everyone cycled then the environment...... which to be fair is true. I rode an AR125 which had pretty incredible fuel consumption, yet it was less than half that of my fathers car.


mmm powervalve, agghhhhh.... A marketing ploy, but worked well. 10,000rpm is always pretty fun :)

I also had a GP100, again gutless, except it had a rotary engine which was a grin inducing machine around 13,000rpm.

I knew a few guys who had cagiva mitos and aprillia rs125's, all derestricted, and they were reasonably quick for 125's.

There is something missing about Moto GP now the 2-strokes have gone, riding a high revving stroker was definitely an art form, or was that luck!

I really wanted to get hold of a RD350, but the prices were silly and they needed rebuilding every 20,000 miles.

shifty_ben wrote:Cyclists (especially the younger variety ;) ) can be and are a liability. Half the kids out there don't even have working brakes, now if you took your car out in that fashion and had an accident what would happen? Having said that SUVs are rediculous, I used to live on a road with a primary school at the end, and the number of mothers who would park/drive badly down my road was unbelievable. Its one thing to live somewhere you NEED something like an SUV but in my old area it was inexscusable to have such a large car. Problem is it was (and to an extent) still is fashionable in that age group


Totally agree with all the above.


jjmac wrote:but apparently crazy culture has been around for so long that it's considered normal. And when ever it takes on the status of becoming a tradition ... then the hope for change becomes well nigh impossible in the direction.

But if it can go one way, then surely it can go the other too.... hopefully.

jjmac wrote:Over here (N.S.W) Victorias completely different. Smooth roads, no lumps or patch evidence. So -=-=-=- "it is possible" !

You probably won't find any road like that in blighty anymore, I think I may have to consider moving, it sounds like heaven :)
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Re: RE: Re: RE: snow joke

Postby wyliecoyoteuk » Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:35 am

nordle wrote:Some are, some are not eg
1.9 Escort 34MPG
2.0 Focus 34MPG


and I thought that I was doing poorly with 42 mpg from my 2.0 diesel Xtype! ( a drop from 45mpg in my 2.2 diesel C5. but very low emissions).

nordle wrote:You must have known I was being a little tongue in cheek right.

:)


nordle wrote:Absolutely, we need more roads (ensuring they are wider) and cyclists to pay road tax for their use ;)


Yes, eventually, we will have small population islands totally surrounded by beautiful smooth tarmac seas :)
nordle wrote:I rent a room in shared accomodation, its £75 pw, not to mention cheaper council tax. They are just building some starter homes for £90k for 1 bed flats, in town these are currently £145k!


Well, I finish paying for my 4 bedroom house in the suburbs this year, I want to move closer to work (strangely enough, my office is in the country), because I too drive 25 miles a day to the office, and 25 miles back (unless I am out on calls).
But the best I can get for less than 200k is a one bedroom flat, unless I want to buy an ex-council house in one of the villages!
In the city centre, new luxury 2 bed apartments are going for that price.
Maybe your countryside is less popular than ours :)
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