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linux_dan



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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 8:37 pm    Post subject: Windows 8 why you such a pain! Reply with quote

Hey,

So it looks like my love affair with Linux has come to end! Sad Sad

I brought a shiny new Dell with Windows 8.1 Update 1 boy what a mistake!

I have searched high and low on Google all about dual booting and tried most things i.e disable fast boot etc but nothing works.
Has anybody here had luck dual booting with Windows hate!

Cheers

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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No luck with windows 8 dual booting.

But you have a wonderful opportunity here to wipe windows completely and install something that actually works! Cool
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really!? Have they actually made it impossible to dual boot? I just received my laptop today, and was looking to do the same thing. I really need to keep Windows on it for college and work training specific things.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While not imposible, it is quite awkward.
Running one or other in a VM (or using a Hypervisor such as KVM, Xen or Windows HyperV to run both) is the easiest alternative.

http://guidesdna.com/complete-guide-dual-boot-windows-88-1-ubuntu/

http://askubuntu.com/questions/221835/installing-ubuntu-on-a-pre-installed-windows-8-64-bit-system-uefi-supported
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wyliecoyoteuk wrote:
While not imposible, it is quite awkward.
Running one or other in a VM (or using a Hypervisor such as KVM, Xen or Windows HyperV to run both) is the easiest alternative.

http://guidesdna.com/complete-guide-dual-boot-windows-88-1-ubuntu/

http://askubuntu.com/questions/221835/installing-ubuntu-on-a-pre-installed-windows-8-64-bit-system-uefi-supported


That first link was the most BASIC I have ever seen Very Happy Very Happy

Don't even mention fast boot - good luck to anyone following that one.



I have tried VM machines but even with 4gb ram things feel slugish.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends which VM and which host.
Windows runs quite quickly on a KVM Hypervisor.
Ubuntu is quite slow on my Virtualbox running on Windows, yet win8.1 is quite quick on VB on Ubuntu.
Running KVM as a bare metal hypervisor with 2 guests probably gives the best result.

Unfortunately win8.1 even struggles to dual boot with windows 7.
If you set up fast boot, it will corrupt a win7 partition trying to "fix" it when you reboot into 8..

Dual boot was never an ideal solution.
You could always run Ubuntu from a USB stick.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

linux_dan wrote:

That first link was the most BASIC I have ever seen Very Happy Very Happy

I guess that first link won't work on UEFI featured laptops. Is that right?
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

leke wrote:
linux_dan wrote:

That first link was the most BASIC I have ever seen Very Happy Very Happy

I guess that first link won't work on UEFI featured laptops. Is that right?

Actually, it may, as long as they don't already have 4 active partitions. The main point is to create the free space using win8.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 5:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Windows 8 why you such a pain! Reply with quote

linux_dan wrote:
Hey,

I brought a shiny new Dell with Windows 8.1 Update 1 boy what a mistake!

Dan


That not just one mistake, it is two. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been playing with VM player this weekend. Installed Xubuntu 14.4 and seems pretty nippy Very Happy

Still would rather dual boot - Virtual Machines still feel a bit clunky
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lubuntu is even quicker
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible with new laptops these days to replace Windows 8 completely with a Linux installation, ie not bother about dual-booting? Since becoming aware of UEFI, secure boot etc I have gained the impression (rightly or wrongly) that the main aim is to prevent anything other than Windows booting so Iím assuming that overwriting Windows completely with Linux would also present problems.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's how my laptop is set up. You need to turn off the so-called Secure boot in the EFI settings, then you can send Windows 8 to where it deserves to be and install a grown up OS.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could I possibly ask what make of laptop you have, nelz? I have been considering buying a new laptop for some time - strictly for the purpose of running Linux alone, but have so far hesitated for fear of ending up with something which would not allow me to do this.

As you probably know, I am a long-time Windows user but I am afraid 8 leaves me cold. I have a copy on VirtualBox which I dip into from time to time but have not managed to sum up much enthusiasm for it. I would hate to spend £400/£500 or so on a new machine and then find all I can do with it is run 8. Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's an Asus Vivobook S202, about a year old. It's a Windows 8 release because it has a touch screen, not that I use it like that - my phone screen has more than enough finger marks already.
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