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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:44 am    Post subject: Google's New Scheme Reply with quote

This may not be the place for this topic but I could not find one that looked any more appropriate.
I am at a loss to understand, let alone make any sense of, Google's new Terms of Service (or whatever they are calling it.
Who, in their right mind, wants their likeness plastered all over the internet as a reward for using Google??
Can any kind soul enlighten me, please? (in simple language).

Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not being an exhibitionist myself, I can't explain it in simple (or any other) terms. But it reinforces my inclination to cut all links with Google.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google have recently lost their 'good' streak and I've really lost my faith in them. I was annoyed how they pushed and pushed me to merge my youtube account with my google plus. I reacted by closing my google plus account, and now they are pushing me time and time again to open a plus account.
I don't even know what to call their approach. They don't really give you a a way to say no, and if I close the popup (the only way I can say no), I'm told, "Ok, we'll ask you again later".
Confused
Well I guess my next step is to start copying all my youtube subs to a new, fake email where I will happily go along with everything they want because I won't touch their g+, or email.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google's core business has always been to sell advertising and related analytic data. They are proud of the fact.

The recent ability of social networking and analytic mashups to sell yet more core product requires everybody to have no secrets.

You think Google will ever respect our privacy one gnat's doodad more than the law demands?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started using Google because of their "maps". Up to then I had used Yahoo and on occasions Jeeves.
It wasn't until relatively recently that I began to have serious doubts about the "integrity" of search engine operators. So, of the dozens of them that there seems to be, which are the most "user friendly" (if any)?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use StartPage https://startpage.com/uk/aboutstartpage/ which uses Google to do its searches but distances you from Google so that no personal information is revealed to anyone.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for that, roseway.
I shall have a look at it and see if I can understand it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My other linux magazine, Linuxmagazine , a dutch mag. came up with a useful site if you want to get away from prying eyes, google or otherwise,

www.prism-break.org

It is basically a list of alternatives to the nosy sites etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically, they are moving towards a single sign on, so YouTube, Gmail, etc will all be part of Google+.
Facebook, Microsoft and Apple want things to be like that too, so that you see everything via their network.
MSN, AOL and Compuserve revisited.
It will carry on until people rebel, the same way that MSN, AOL and Compuserve became mostly history because the Walled garden approach eventually becomes too restrictive for the majority of people.
(The more cynical of us might think it was because they blocked porn sites) Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wyliecoyoteuk wrote:
The more cynical of us might think it was because they blocked porn sites

Close. I'd say it was because they blocked the competition. (okay okay I know that to some of you that is the same thing, but not to all of us Razz )

To date, Apple have shown themselves equally dumb while Google are wise enough to embrace, extend, extinguish. As far as I know the jury is still out on Facebook. As Hari Seldon knew only too well, psychohistoric analysis on a single individual is unreliable.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What has always puzzled me, ( well ever since the day I first used a search engine,) is the fact that despite there being no such thing as a free lunch the illusion still persists.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

catgate wrote:
What has always puzzled me, ( well ever since the day I first used a search engine,) is the fact that despite there being no such thing as a free lunch the illusion still persists.


Try looking at it this way: obviously Google derive value from our searches, but if we didn't use this resource to "pay" for Google services, how else could we exploit it?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

catgate wrote:
What has always puzzled me, ( well ever since the day I first used a search engine,) is the fact that despite there being no such thing as a free lunch the illusion still persists.

The illusion is there only because no money changes hands. Think of search engines as the first crowdsourced workforce: we find the sites which pay to be found, thus providing the service for which Google is paid. Yet Google pays us nothing in return. It's not you getting a free lunch off Google's services, it's them getting a free lunch off yours.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

guy wrote:

The illusion is there only because no money changes hands. Think of search engines as the first crowdsourced workforce: thus providing the service for which Google is paid.


My understanding is that the "sites that pay to be found" are the ones at the top of the search results with the faint pink background. Personally I look straight past those, and many other people mistrust them too (AFAIR O'Reilly's pocket guide to Google makes this point).

Other than that, Googel make money from the adverts on the right of the search results; I tend not to notice those either.

I reckon that I am pretty impervious to adverts, or I even feel a negative effect. For example I bought a pressure washer recently and deliberately avoided Karcher because they advertise so much (ie: a lot of the price is for the advertising, which is very expensive, not the product). I avoid IKEA too, because their adverts are so patronising.

I don't mind, indeed use, purely informative "adverts", like catalogues. As far as choice of brand is concerned I form my own opinion on many factors, in which advertising puff ranks low.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rhakios,guy and Nuke,
I understand that the advertisers are feeding the beast but I, like Nuke and presumably squillions of others, never give the adverts a second look. So who are these people who are feeding the advertisers?
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