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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject: Email, emails, Internet or internet. Reply with quote

Hello world,

Could someone please clarify for me two simple gramatical questions for I know not the answer. Question one is should the word Internet have a capital 'i'? It is a proper noun surely and therefore be capitalised. I have heard there is something that when the word becomes common language it loses its initial capital.

Question two is email. The Beagle article is a clear case of misuse for the adding of a 's' to the end of email. AFAIK, email should never have an 's' as email is a system and messages are the produce. Therefore the term should be email messages. Clarity here would be wonderful too but sentences such as "I'll check my emails" should never be accepted. It should of course be "I'll check my email".

Looking forward to some education for me. Thanks,

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:14 pm    Post subject: RE: Email, emails, Internet or internet. Reply with quote

I've always viewed The Internet as a proper noun, and distinct from an internet, so I always capitalise it. Aspell has just highlighted "internet" as incorrectly spelled, while passing Internet.

Email is a contraction of electronic mail, so should really be written e-mail. As with snail mail, the same noun applies to both the system uses to convey it and the individual messages. However, in that usage, the plural of mail is still mail. So I agree with you on that point, that there should never be an s.

However, the language is evolving, and whatever the majority use usually becomes the accepted norm. So I wouldn't lose any sleep over this. I gave up the fight against calling junk e-mail spam long time ago, even though the original usage of spam only applied to mass-posted (but not cross-posted) junk Usenet messages.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to wikipedia, it is 'Internet and 'e-mail' Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Standard English grammar is to capitalise proper names, but not nouns. the word "the" may be used to preface a noun, but not a proper name (except to distinguish which "John Smith" one is talking about - "The particular John Smith who ate Freddie Starr.") Note that a name may include "The" (capital T) as in "The Dog and Duck."
As such, the grammatically correct usage would be "the internet". The accepted usage of "the Internet" is irregular, so one may refer to "the internet" whenever one wishes to set a trap for a pedant.

email or emails? Generally, the collective "mail" should be used.
However, unlike snail mail the word is sometimes used to refer to an individual message: one might say "I opened an email the other day," but never ""I opened a (snail) mail the other day." In this context, one should use "emails" to refer to several messages, as: "I opened three emails the other day."
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Internet is a proper name. it is not a generic referring to any collection of computers, such as a network, but a specific entity. As such, it is a proper name and should be capitalised. The is not an article in this case, but part of the name. It is "The Internet" as opposed to "an internet".
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agee with nelz with the correct usage being Internet and e-mail. My question is therefore, how do we feed it back to LXF? I am not deliberatly picking on the Beagle (LXF 70) article but it is a wonderful example of PPE (p!ss poor English) with respect to the subject.

Surely, rather than "I opened three emails the other day." the sentence should read "When reading my e-mail I opened three messages the other day."?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I opened three e-mail messages", which will inevitably become contracted to "I opened three emails", in the same way that "text messages" has become "texts". Even the OED has listed text as a verb for at least three years, it's in my 2002 edition.

The OED also uses Internet and lists both email and e-mail. Of course, the OED lists what is in use, not what is considered correct.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what is this? Pedants corner Wink
it is not considered correct to poke your tongue out Razz
English is constantly evolving and long may it do so
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

P-lease, it is "What is this?"
"Pedants corner?", and
"It is not considered correct to poke your tongue out."
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

towy71 wrote:
English is constantly evolving and long may it do so


Thou is entitled to thine own opinion, even if it sucketh.

The olde wayes are the beste wayes Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"This is the sort of English up with which I will not put!"

-- Winston Churchill

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds more like Bush the Lesser :0

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A preposition is something you should not end a sentence with.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nelz wrote:
The olde wayes are the beste wayes Smile


Where do you want to go today ?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Far, far awaye Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Wigan?
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