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Bazza
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi el chapulín...

> Ignorance is never a strong defense.

Ah well, consider me ignorant, gullible and naive then.

(Or, maybe I just don't care enough to worry about FB's antics.)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M-Saunders wrote:
But to flippantly suggest that everyone on there is a "sheep" shows a gross misunderstanding of how humans work.

1) I referred to the "sheeple effect", i.e. the tendency in humans to do what someone else is doing because "if they're doing it, it must be safe".

2) I did not suggest that everyone on fakebook is a sheep.

3) Using my apparent "gross misunderstanding of how humans work" in your argument is not good debating.

An example of the sheeple effect:
M-Saunders wrote:
Everyone was on Facebook

Did you ask "everyone"? Or was that an assumption? Or perhaps it's a generalisation much like some of mine...? Then again perhaps you're right and everyone was on fakebook and I'm just being pedantic here, but I'm not the first pedant in this thread. Smile

M-Saunders wrote:
Sigh. No they haven't. They haven't "gone" from anything.

*SIGH* yes they have - unless you're going to take that as a black and white: "all computers are now smartphones which can only access social networking sites and pr0n, other types of computers no longer exist" kind of statement? And of course it is pretty obvious that is not what I was inferring...

M-Saunders wrote:
But these "it's all over" predictions are just ridiculous.

Whereas I did not actually make any "it's all over" predictions...

I'm just being a miserable old git and having a rant... most could see that and took it with a pinch of salt, except yourself apparently. The British like to moan, etc...

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All my nephews and nieces are on FB my daughter is the only luddite, she doesn't have a phobile mone either, similarly SWMBO uses email but that's it
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too have to confess I've joined facebook since going to polytechnic. If you want to be part of the project groups people form, you have to conform to the popular choice of social network. I just spelled my name backwards and let people figure out who I was from my picture (which was not as straight forward as it sounds, since I gimped myself into Gandalf Laughing ).
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is beginning to sound a bit like the TV programme "Grumpy Old Men" ( and Women).

Mind you I am a bit of a luddite who has never used facebook nor twitter, and has a mobile phone which will only make phone calls and send text messages, which is precisely why I wanted a mobile phone.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a grumpy old man. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too.
No Fakebook, Twatter or Linked-out here. Smile

(My wife is on FB though)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:15 am    Post subject: This thread is quite cathartic! Reply with quote

@el chapulín:

Must agree with much of your rather well-expressed rants - there is a group behaviour at play with Facebook which I find very disturbing. Sleep-walking, trance-like ... and some of the information (circa 1937) from http://www.propagandacritic.com/articles/intro.ipa.html applies here, especially the Bandwagon effect.

My own "real" job (not IT) and extensive confidential contact with the public is such that I could never, in sane mind, join Facebook under my true name. But just how moronic is it to reduce the infinite subtleties of human relationships to the dichotomies of (not) 'Like' or (un) 'Friend'?! Recall the politician who went to war with the cry of "you're either with us or against us".

You don't have to be paranoid to be dismayed at the decay of genuine social skills, especially among the young today. I'll end with the joke that "I'm old enough to have actually MET my friends"! Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paradigm Shifter wrote:
Does no one use a phone to make calls and send texts, any more? Wink (Other than Ram and myself...)


I read somewhere (so it must be true) that around 15% of smartphone use is actual phone calls.

And about 75% is spent discussing what you all use your smartphones for (while waiting for that download to complete). This is an example of how the mobile internet is fast overtaking the fixed internet - I only spend 55% of my time on my desktop PC discussing what I do with it (I spend the rest of the time reinstalling stuff). Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

guy wrote:
I read somewhere (so it must be true) that around 15% of smartphone use is actual phone calls.

And about 75% is spent discussing what you all use your smartphones for (while waiting for that download to complete). This is an example of how the mobile internet is fast overtaking the fixed internet - I only spend 55% of my time on my desktop PC discussing what I do with it (I spend the rest of the time reinstalling stuff). Wink

Crikey... really?

I find that quite scary.

I probably use my smartphone about 5% for internet (when I desperately need to look something up away from a library or 'net connection) 10% for e-mail, 10% for texts and 75% for voice calls. With a very rare game of Chess against a cheating AI when bored rigid.

But then, my phone usage has evolved as I've grown older, or replaced an old phone. As a teenager, I spent far more money on texts than on calls, and mobile internet hadn't been invented. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

quote: (seems my java is off)

This thread is beginning to sound a bit like the TV programme "Grumpy Old Men" ( and Women).

Strongly suggest you review your "last access" dates on files you
believe confidential. A real eye opener. FB, and the rest of the cookie
providers are like vagrants looking for unlocked doors with no one
home so they can rummage though your house. Nothing on the net is
private.
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