things Linux has to do to beat Windows 8

Discussion topics, Linux related - not requests for help

Moderators: ChrisThornett, LXF moderators

things Linux has to do to beat Windows 8

Postby kamrananvaar » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:07 pm

Five things Desktop Linux has to do to beat Windows 8

Summary: Microsoft, as it did with Vista, is giving Linux another chance to make the gains in the PC market with Windows 8, but can Linux take advantage of this opportunity?
Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols for Linux and Open Source | September 7, 2012 -- 16:22 GMT (09:22 PDT)
Follow @sjvn
System76For Linux to win on the desktop, it needs more than Windows 8 to fail.

In 2007, thanks to netbooks and Vista, Linux briefly exploded onto the desktop. Microsoft soon realized they were losing the low-end laptop market and they brought XP back from the dead and practically gave it away to original equipment manufacturers (OEM)s. It worked. Linux's popularity receded. In 2012, Microsoft is once more bringing out a dog of a desktop operating system, Windows 8, so desktop Linux will once more get a chance to shine... if it can.
http://www.zdnet.com/five-things-deskto ... 000003901/
kamrananvaar
LXF regular
 
Posts: 383
Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:25 am

Postby johnhudson » Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:34 pm

Linux doesn't need to do anything to beat Windows 8; Windows 8 is a desperate bid to keep its business model alive. But its best hope may be to be number three in the future.
johnhudson
LXF regular
 
Posts: 873
Joined: Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:37 pm

Re: things Linux has to do to beat Windows 8

Postby Debian Acolyte » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:23 pm

kamrananvaar wrote:Five things Desktop Linux has to do to beat Windows 8

When did it become a contest? Linux serves a part of the market. The goal is not to replace Microsoft. If that was the goal, the way to beat Microsoft would be to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on advertising and pay computer vendors to install Linux systems on their machines. With almost all Linux systems being non-profit organisations, the likelihood of that happening is not very great.
Debian Stable
Openbox
User avatar
Debian Acolyte
 
Posts: 25
Joined: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:21 am
Location: China

Postby wyliecoyoteuk » Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:39 am

Windows 8 is Microsoft thinking that the future of computing is not in desktop applications.
The sig between the asterisks is so cool that only REALLY COOL people can even see it!

*************** ************
User avatar
wyliecoyoteuk
LXF regular
 
Posts: 3452
Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:41 pm
Location: Birmingham, UK

Re: things Linux has to do to beat Windows 8

Postby guy » Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:02 pm

Debian Acolyte wrote:When did it become a contest?

When Microsoft made it one, all those years ago.

Right now, all Linux needs to do is sit tight and persuade Microsoft to do likewise. :)
Cheers,
Guy
The eternal help vampire
User avatar
guy
LXF regular
 
Posts: 1071
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:07 pm
Location: Worcestershire

Postby Dutch_Master » Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:52 pm

All Linux has to do, is provide rope and wait... :twisted: :roll:
Dutch_Master
LXF regular
 
Posts: 2440
Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:49 am

Re: things Linux has to do to beat Windows 8

Postby Bruno » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:24 pm

Debian Acolyte wrote:...If that was the goal, the way to beat Microsoft ...

But as Linus said himself, the goal is world domination. Muahahahahaha :twisted:
User avatar
Bruno
LXF regular
 
Posts: 139
Joined: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:07 pm
Location: Cambridgeshire, UK

Postby Debian Acolyte » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:14 pm

My mistake. :oops:
:lol:
Debian Stable
Openbox
User avatar
Debian Acolyte
 
Posts: 25
Joined: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:21 am
Location: China

Postby tweetiepooh » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:56 pm

The problem for Linux is the same as it always has been (probably more could be added)

1)Hardware - my Acme thingyumy doesn't work (well) under Linux.

2)Software - can I run .... on it? Do alternatives really work with complex files created in current app (macros and so on)

3)Can it work with ... server application (Exchange)?

4)Can it run IE because our intranet only really works with IE?

5)Our infrastructure is based around MS (NTLM), can Linux integrate seamlessly?

Then there is the claim that people will need retraining to use Linux. This really is a weaker point. Most users would cope as long as things are fairly logical with minimal training and that they are assured that they really can't damage things so they can "play".
User avatar
tweetiepooh
 
Posts: 10
Joined: Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:02 pm

Postby el chapulín » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:46 am

You're talking about cross compatibility - something MS certainly don't want. For that to happen in a meaningful way, both parties have to agree to standards and stick to them. Proprietary software corporations like MS and Apple have shown time and time again that they're unwilling to do that and prefer the "lock in" business model and creating intentional incompatibilities. FOSS developers cannot spend forever aping MS and playing catch up with file format compatibility, they have to take their own direction - they have and that's what's working at the moment.

Debian Acolyte is correct in that GNU/Linux would need the same marketing, financial backing and deals with OEMs to compete with the likes of MS - this is not going to happen, at least for the foreseeable future.
el chapulín
 
Posts: 50
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:13 pm

Postby Ram » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:24 am

tweetiepooh wrote:The problem for Linux is the same as it always has been (probably more could be added)

1)Hardware - my Acme thingyumy doesn't work (well) under Linux.

2)Software - can I run .... on it? Do alternatives really work with complex files created in current app (macros and so on)

3)Can it work with ... server application (Exchange)?

4)Can it run IE because our intranet only really works with IE?

5)Our infrastructure is based around MS (NTLM), can Linux integrate seamlessly?

Then there is the claim that people will need retraining to use Linux. This really is a weaker point. Most users would cope as long as things are fairly logical with minimal training and that they are assured that they really can't damage things so they can "play".


1, Same goes for Windows

2, Same for Windows, Updated to Win 7 ( Corp Decision ) Then I have to install XP Virtual machine to regain lost functionality

3, Yes

4, Yes, IE runs under wine

5, I've not had the experience with this.

lubuntu LXDE 13.10 running on AMD Phenom II*4; ASUS Crosshair III Formula MB; 4 GB Ram.....
User avatar
Ram
LXF regular
 
Posts: 1675
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:44 pm
Location: Guisborough

Postby el chapulín » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:17 am

Ram wrote:4, Yes, IE runs under wine

As to why on earth anyone would want to is another matter...

My answer is:

4. That's a problem with how your intranet pages were coded/setup.
el chapulín
 
Posts: 50
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:13 pm

Postby wyliecoyoteuk » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:28 am

Actually, the best answer is the simplest:

Not be Windows8.

How it will beat windows 7 or 9 is another matter.
The sig between the asterisks is so cool that only REALLY COOL people can even see it!

*************** ************
User avatar
wyliecoyoteuk
LXF regular
 
Posts: 3452
Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:41 pm
Location: Birmingham, UK

Postby Ram » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:19 pm

el chapulín wrote:
Ram wrote:4, Yes, IE runs under wine

As to why on earth anyone would want to is another matter...

My answer is:

4. That's a problem with how your intranet pages were coded/setup.


I wouldn't but that works and I was just shooting holes in his post to the tune of 100% in my experience, 80% for the full 5 points.

lubuntu LXDE 13.10 running on AMD Phenom II*4; ASUS Crosshair III Formula MB; 4 GB Ram.....
User avatar
Ram
LXF regular
 
Posts: 1675
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:44 pm
Location: Guisborough


Return to Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Exabot [Bot] and 0 guests