Hi All. Thanks for the comments.I managed to rescue system-config-lvm and add it to the kde Admin list and it seems to work OK. I wanted to use Fed 14 as I had to build a machine for an elderly relative (I'm 73!), and didn't want them to be confused with constant nagging to upgrade. I also wanted to have a similar machine here so that in case of problems I could offer advice over the phone. Their machine is working OK for what they want to do but my one is suffering from various problems including being unable to use system-administration-services or the samba tab or the firewall tab due to a known problem in the distributed files(see bug 800603 for details). I have found ways round most of these and got samba working in spite of the hassles. I think I may well try changing to Fedora 16 in the hope it doesn't have any major gotchas. The machine I am writing this on is running Fed 12 and very reliable. I still have machines running RedHat 8, Fedora Core 5 and MSdos5 and an old Nascom2 (Pre the IBM PC) which still worked when I last tried it!