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Re: HTML5...

jjmac — Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:55 pm

Author: jjmac

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:55 pm

As i see it ...
(or, reality can be a strange place at times.)

# mega-corp company floods with proprietary facility.

# people want content, so ... whether they want to or not ... whether the implications are known/understood or not ... they install the facility in order to make the content available.

# they may not even know if they really want it at this stage, but how are they to know if they can't access it.

# so its' usage count increases.

# mega-corps then points at the stats and declares --- see, it must be good/ok otherwise people wouldn't have chosen it.

# by that time it is very hard to shift.

The technique does needs a name, at least that would help in its' perception. Very insidious none the less.

As for the fruitshop owner and squinty, talk about carrying a grudge. I don't think the former has liked the later ... well, ever since the later did the dirty and sold all his shares to fund his own tiny co. Causing the apple price to plummet. Is there no honour amongst such people any more ?

I've always been a bit suspicious of flash.

jm

Re: HTML5...

ollie — Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:24 pm

Author: ollie

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:24 pm

th3_d0ct0r wrote:

The think is that HTML 5.0 will solve many problems and incompatibilities among different platforms and O/Ses....

Thank GOD...or at least I hope so!

Um ... that was the point of HTML, HTML+, HTML 2, HTML 3.2, HTML 4, HTML 4.01, XHTML and XHTML1.1. Why would HTML5 make any difference to proprietary companies looking to lock customers into their products?

Re: HTML5...

th3_d0ct0r — Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:15 pm

Author: th3_d0ct0r

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:15 pm

The think is that HTML 5.0 will solve many problems and incompatibilities among different platforms and O/Ses....

Thank GOD...or at least I hope so!

Re: HTML5...

ollie — Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:35 am

Author: ollie

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:35 am

corners wrote:

There's a search engine that makes money out of advertising without using Flash. I can't recall their name but if they can do it maybe others can.

Personally I like to see the web move towards open standards and move away from proprietary bloatware like flash.

Actually, I think they have the largest repository of user generated Flash video on the web. Many of their ad banners can also display Flash advertising

I'd too would really like to see open standards used and supported by all vendors, but that super small software company and the musical fruit company have vested interest in locking customers into their computing environments.

Re: HTML5...

corners — Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:01 pm

Author: corners

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:01 pm

ollie wrote:

users want access to Flash based content, as do advertisers, who are the people paying the only reliable income generated on the Internet (other than porn )

Re: HTML5...

Rhakios — Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:03 pm

Author: Rhakios

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:03 pm

ollie wrote:

The problem for Apple is that users want access to Flash based content, as do advertisers, who are the people paying the only reliable income generated on the Internet (other than porn )

To be fair, iTunes has been very reliable in generating revenue for Apple, which is why they try to push everything through it.

Re: HTML5...

ollie — Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:43 am

Author: ollie

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:43 am

w3schools.com wrote:

May 2010

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Microsoft don't have anywhere near 50% of the traffic at W3Schools and I expect that LXF would have even lower IE stats Apple are trying to send web development back to the 20th Century where web developers have to use browser sniffing to send different web pages to users depending on their browser. If Apple don't want to allow Flash based content that's fine, but don't bullsh*t the world about only Safari supporting web standards.

The problem for Apple is that users want access to Flash based content, as do advertisers, who are the people paying the only reliable income generated on the Internet (other than porn )

Re: HTML5...

johnhudson — Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:25 pm

Author: johnhudson

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:25 pm

Google has just produced a plugin that allows HTML5 content to be displayed properly in IE6 - they may want people to move to HTML5 but they aren't going to risk losing the advertising revenue.

Re: HTML5...

guy — Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:32 pm

Author: guy

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:32 pm

kneekoo wrote:

IE9 is on its way but without XP support so A LOT of people will lag behind for at least 2-3 more years and this also assuming IE9 and IE10 would play nice with HTML 5.

Chrome is also not yet mature in many aspects and that only leaves us with Firefox and Opera, which altogether don't sum up at least 50% of total internet users. What happens to the other people? Where's the benefit for the HTML 5 site owners?

XP users are already abandoning IE6/7/8 in droves for more modern browsers like Firefox, Chrome and Opera. Expect this to continue unabated.

Re: HTML5...

johnhudson — Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:46 pm

Author: johnhudson

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:46 pm

So now I'm using chromium to look at the Developers' site which is accessed via the link on the bottom right hand side of the showcase.

The video demo freezes; the typography displays works perfectly; the web gallery took a while to load but it is now working perfectly; the photo transitions are working perfectly; I can't get any sound from the audio demo; the 360 degree one works; the VR is the only one to put up a message about needed Safari for 3D; the pixel manipulation worked as expected but I couldn't use the export option because of limitations in chromium (or my lack of knowledge about it); the sticky notes also took a while to load but it's no different from KNotes which I have been using for years; concert poster displayed but I couldn't see what else it was supposed to do; checkers opened but I couldn't work out how to get it to play; light table appeared and did its stuff; calender also displayed but I wasn't sure whether there was anything else I was supposed to do with it other than scrolling through months; the movie trailers apparently did what they were supposed to.

So eight of the fourteen demos worked in chromium; two half worked; three froze and I got a warning about one.

Re: HTML5...

bobthebob1234 — Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:55 am

Author: bobthebob1234

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:55 am

LOL thats a funny read.

Re: HTML5...

AndyBaxman — Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:04 am

Author: AndyBaxman

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:04 am

Mozilla man praises Microsoft and bitchslaps Apple and Google over HTML5 standards.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/09/mozilla_man_on_apple_google_and_html5/

What a perverse world we live in today. Lib-Dems in government and Chris Blizzard praising Microsoft's adherence to standards.

Re: HTML5...

ollie — Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:05 am

Author: ollie

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:05 am

Chrome on Windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.04 won't play - just the Apple "error" message indicating that their web designers can't code to open standards.

They use Javascript to detect OS & browser:

Code:

Which generates the error message for all browsers except Safari.

The Javascript is:

Code:

if(typeof(AC)==="undefined"){AC={}}AC.Detector={getAgent:function(){return navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase()
},isMac:function(b){var a=b||this.getAgent();return !!a.match(/mac/i)},isSnowLeopard:function(b){var a=b||this.getAgent();
return !!a.match(/mac os x 10_6/i)},isWin:function(b){var a=b||this.getAgent();
return !!a.match(/win/i)},isWin2k:function(b){var a=b||this.getAgent();return this.isWin(a)&&(a.match(/nt\s*5/i))
},isWinVista:function(b){var a=b||this.getAgent();return this.isWin(a)&&(a.match(/nt\s*6/i))
},isWebKit:function(b){if(this._isWebKit===undefined){var a=b||this.getAgent();
this._isWebKit=!!a.match(/AppleWebKit/i);this.isWebKit=function(){return this._isWebKit
}}return this._isWebKit},isSafari2:function(c){if(this._isSafari2===undefined){if(!this.isWebKit()){this._isSafari2=false
}else{var b=navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase();var a=parseInt(parseFloat(b.substring(b.lastIndexOf("safari/")+7)),10);
this._isSafari2=(a>=419)}this.isSafari2=function(){return this._isSafari2}}return this._isSafari2
},isChrome:function(b){if(this._isChrome===undefined){var a=b||this.getAgent();
this._isChrome=!!a.match(/Chrome/i);this.isChrome=function(){return this._isChrome
}}return this._isChrome},isOpera:function(b){var a=b||this.getAgent();return !!a.match(/opera/i)
},isIE:function(b){var a=b||this.getAgent();return !!a.match(/msie/i)},isIEStrict:function(b){var a=b||this.getAgent();
return a.match(/msie/i)&&!this.isOpera(a)},isIE8:function(c){var b=c||this.getAgent();
var a=b.match(/msie\D*([\.\d]*)/i);if(a&&a[1]){version=a[1]}return +version>=8},isFirefox:function(b){var a=b||this.getAgent();
return !!a.match(/firefox/i)},isiPhone:function(b){var a=b||this.getAgent();return this.isMobile(a)
},iPhoneOSVersion:function(d){var c=d||this.getAgent(),a=this.isMobile(c),e,f,b;
if(a){var e=c.match(/.*CPU ([\w|\s]+) like/i);if(e&&e[1]){f=e[1].split(" ");b=f[2].split("_");
return b}else{return[1]}}else{return null}},isiPad:function(b){var a=b||this.getAgent();
return !!(this.isWebKit(a)&&a.match(/ipad/i))},isMobile:function(b){var a=b||this.getAgent();
return this.isWebKit(a)&&(a.match(/Mobile/i)&&!this.isiPad(a))},isiTunesOK:function(b){var a=b||this.getAgent();
return this.isMac(a)||this.isWin2k(a)},_isQTInstalled:undefined,isQTInstalled:function(){if(this._isQTInstalled===undefined){var a=false;
if(navigator.plugins&&navigator.plugins.length){for(var b=0;b<navigator.plugins.length;
b++){var c=navigator.plugins[b];if(c.name.indexOf("QuickTime")>-1){a=true}}}else{if(typeof(execScript)!="undefined"){qtObj=false;
execScript('on error resume next: qtObj = IsObject(CreateObject("QuickTimeCheckObject.QuickTimeCheck.1"))',"VBScript");
a=qtObj}}this._isQTInstalled=a}return this._isQTInstalled},getQTVersion:function(){var a="0";
if(navigator.plugins&&navigator.plugins.length){for(var c=0;c<navigator.plugins.length;
c++){var d=navigator.plugins[c];var b=d.name.match(/quicktime\D*([\.\d]*)/i);if(b&&b[1]){a=b[1]
}}}else{if(typeof(execScript)!="undefined"){ieQTVersion=null;execScript('on error resume next: ieQTVersion = CreateObject("QuickTimeCheckObject.QuickTimeCheck.1").QuickTimeVersion',"VBScript");
if(ieQTVersion){a=ieQTVersion.toString(16);a=[a.charAt(0),a.charAt(1),a.charAt(2)].join(".")
}}}return a},isQTCompatible:function(c,e){function b(g,i){var f=parseInt(g[0],10);
if(isNaN(f)){f=0}var h=parseInt(i[0],10);if(isNaN(h)){h=0}if(f===h){if(g.length>1){return b(g.slice(1),i.slice(1))
}else{return true}}else{if(f<h){return true}else{return false}}}var d=c.split(/\./);
var a=e?e.split(/\./):this.getQTVersion().split(/\./);return b(d,a)},isValidQTAvailable:function(a){return this.isQTInstalled()&&this.isQTCompatible(a)
},isSBVDPAvailable:function(a){return false}};

A good example of how to not play nice

Re: HTML5...

johnhudson — Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:44 am

Author: johnhudson

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:44 am

I'm using chromium 6.0.245 from the openSUSE repositories which seems to get fairly regular updates.

Re: HTML5...

bobthebob1234 — Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:08 pm

Author: bobthebob1234

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:08 pm

johnhudson wrote:

Most of the demo works in chromium. But the effects shown are mostly hardly any different from what KDE has been doing on the desktop - doing them in a browser may be new but it's not terribly earth-shattering.

Couldn't get the apple demos to work with my chromium....